The Sick Moon Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Everyone knows how to spell that, PIERRE LUNAIRE Yeah, everyone except you. Got your attention very quickly,though. Spelling errors tend to do that. It's a gift I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 but a curse also, no? twas for me anyways, took some letting go i can tell you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FACT Posted May 15, 2015 Author Share Posted May 15, 2015 Explain the benefits of a party system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Explain the benefits of a party system.OK. Turn up with a couple of good CDs, 2 bottles of wine and two four packs of Holsten Pils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wann Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 We are used to MHKs who promise something at the doorstep or in their manifesto but later as soon as they get on the gravy train change their tune. Accountable to no one. Some MHKs turn their back on their constituents once they are elected. One of the benefits of a party system is that the representative is answerable to his party. With a party system, people have continued representation through the party. Many MHKs and candidates feel they would be shackled by being a party. And too right I say. Of course all this goes for a ball of chalk when you consider Leaky Cretney and Mike Coleman are Manx Labour Party members but would appear to go their own way in Tynwald (eg voting for the blanket toilet tax, which can hardly be considered a socialist policy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 what happened to that ken fitton fella? turns up after a period of lurking, announces himself to everyone, invites questions then completely disappears again? bizarre behaviour i like this guy ...vote ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithFitton Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Worst thing I've ever done? Misspelling Mr Moulton's surname (sorry Paul). Have I ever read Isaiah Berlin's work on positive and negative liberty? No. Is it worth it? "another vote chaser pops up offering what people want to hear". Am I vote chaser? Of course I am! I'm a candidate in a bye-election and the polls open on Thursday. I've spent the last three and half weeks knocking on doors, chasing votes that way, this is another form of canvasing. Will I tell people what they want to hear? No, I'll tell them what I believe and where I don't know stuff, I'll listen but I won't be saying stuff just to try and grab a couple of votes. I'd rather lose with integrity than win by selling out. "Prospective MHKs are always keen to explain how they will improve Healthcare, Pensions, Social Care, Education etc...but there is usually very little detail on how the funds will be raised. Althought the Government Revenue Budget has been balanced there is considerable expenditure which hasn't yet or doesn't ever hit the Revenue Account. I wonder if Mr F, or any of the candidates, has pondered how this money might be raised. "Grow the economy" is the standard answer but its not very helpful". We do need to 'grow the economy'. I'm not sure any candidate in history would have been elected on a manifesto promise of shrinking the economy. We have to have an environment where businesses, especially small to medium businesses can thrive & develop. I know the Chief Minister received a lot of criticism for his trip to China but I actually support him for doing that. In fact we need more of that. We need to be selling ourselves to emerging markets as their gateway in to Europe. We can be MUCH more efficient. I've worked in the NHS, private health and now manage services for an international charity. In my experience, the charity model works the best (not perfect, but 'best'). We often say 'we're not for profit but not for loss either'. Government needs to adopt a similar mindset. However, we can't simply dump government workers out of their jobs, because we'd be paying them off, then paying them benefits. But in many areas we should be considering whether we need to replace people who have left? Does that vacancy need to be filled or can we save that salary? (hmm, has the sky fallen in with two vacancies in Legislative Council for all these months?) Also, we need people spending their money in the economy. We need a strategic plan to reduce headcount but gently rather than dramatically, thus maintaining confidence. Confidence in an economy is central to recovery. What we can not do, is rely upon a constant drip-drip-drip of indirect taxation that hits the poorest in society disproportionately. This policy of squeezing the poor, the pensioners and the middle earners is causing genuine distress. Mr Teare doesn't recognise a connection between his fiscal policies and the emergence of Manx food banks? Really? The other reason why we need to attract more business to the Isle, is the simple fact that we need more sustainable jobs here to keep our younger people living here or to attract them back if they have left to go to university etc. If we don't get it right, I fear we will see a drain of talented younger people away from the Isle over the next decade, with the resulting dependency ratio ballooning to a level that simply cannot be maintained. These bye-elections are important, but the next General Election is vital. If we get it right then, we can turn things around. But if we fail to implement change in the government, I think we will be in deep trouble. Final salary, Superannuation pensions MUST be tackled rather than simply ignored. We would grasp the nettle and close the scheme to new entrants. The deficit will still need to be managed and there will be costs involved. Government will still need a deficit reduction plan to enable it to meet obligations. Any changes in pension provision will need to be introduced in a manner where people don't lose out on their existing position and have enough working life left to make alternative plans. It *might* be possible to find a way for superannuation schemes to pay for themselves but it is unlikely. Again, any changes must be planned and implemented in a sensitive manner. The last pension reform consultation simply scared people in to getting out as soon as possible, for example the Consultants (the medical type) who took their retirement fund while they still could. We are heading off the edge of a cliff in terms of nursing & medical staff who are coming up to retirement age, we actually need some of these to stay on. Nurses retiring, then coming back as 'bank staff' is a very expensive and inefficient way to staff a service. If they fear their pensions will be 'fiddled with', they will grab the cash while they can. Benefits of a party system? Well, first off, I used to be a fan of the independence of MHK's, I thought it avoided much of the mud slinging that we have been witnessing in the UK recently. However, we've developed in to a single party state anyway. It's simply that the de-facto party are formed after the election and without a manifesto. As a result, they are not accountable to anyone but the Chief Minister who forms the 'party'. Far too many MHK's then settle down under the excuse of 'collective responsibility'. By not having debate in the chamber, we, the electorate, are denied any transparency or accountability. A genuine party will stand on a clear manifesto that is issued before the election rather than after it. If you like what we're saying and share our vision for moving forward, you support us. If you don't like it, you support someone else. But at least you'll know what the party intend to do and you can hold us to account after the election. The manifesto for the bye-election is a 'wish list' rather than a 'to do' list, simply because even if both Maire & I are elected, we will still be a minority. I'm hoping to see the manifesto developed further with an eye towards 2016's General Election, where, if we can convince enough people to support us, there will be a massive opportunity for change. That said, there are things in the manifesto that we may still get other MHK's support for before then. Being part of LibVan does not involve a 'three line whip'. There are policies that are in the manifesto that are generally easy for us all to agree to because we have shared values and a similar mindset, which is why we became LibVan Party members in the first place. Then there will be a section of issues where we will have disagreements. We will argue, discuss and debate them. Ultimately, there may be things that I'm not keen on but I'll support them because it is the party line or simply because there is an element of negotiation, where something I'm not entirely happy with, is supported in exchange for wider support for something I am keen on. Then finally, there are issues that I fundamentally disagree with the party over and I will not concede to. I would then vote against the party. HOWEVER, I believe this can be done in a professional manner. I would not do so in a manner that undermined the party or its leadership. I would explain myself ahead of any vote, so no surprises and I would expect to explain myself to the party membership too. These instances are likely to be rare, but they may exist. If I'm acting in an above board, professional manner, then that should be accepted. With LibVan, we have a monthly meeting that is open to non-members as well as members. The MHK's almost always attend. This makes them easily available to the electorate. This is the closest we have to holding political surgeries. If the electorate want to question the LibVan MHK's, or to express a view to them, they know where to find them every month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Ass-blancmange Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Very simply, Ian, it would appear she was born on the island, so her manifesto assertion is correct. Who knows what the family situation was at the time of each birth, it is irrelevant. A mature response may just be to drop whatever the issue you thought you had, incorrectly, uncovered. It would appear to be the case Gladys. Would it appear to be the case that she was raised there? I think you need to pack it in mate. You've made a right tit of yourself with your earlier insinuations, best stop digging He didn't make a right tit of himself at all. He raised an issue that Jess Tickle subsequently answered. It looked as if she wasn't born here from information on the Internet. But really the conclusion was that she was not born a De-Yoxall on the IOM which seems perfectly correct. Which begs the question what is being hidden here? For people who are aware of the family background, that claim in the manifesto is interesting as it raises the entire Curry connection. It's not that hard to dig. If you are standing for political office shouldn't you get everything out in the open so that the voters know who you are? There are people old enough still living here who are aware of the whole background. Manx people are not stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 A lot of words Keith, but as much substance as Amy! You've identified the problems OK, but there's no answers in that waffle. Julien ass-wipe , take Billy boy's cock out of your mouth and sling your hook. Frankly I'm fed up of Malarkey's poisonous nonsense. If you've got something to say - say it. If your allegations are true (whatever they are) they can't be libellous, so feel free to dispense some facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 And now for a look back on how things were in the good old times, without this filthy buggery and stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Ahem ... http://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/59032-manx-nostalgia-old-election-videos/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Seems harsh. Hope they're marinated first http://www.energyfm.net/cms/news_story_374429.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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P.K. Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 A lot of words Keith, but as much substance as Amy! You've identified the problems OK, but there's no answers in that waffle. Any answers a candidate comes up with will have to be endorsed by the encumbants so why waste everyone's time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 A lot of words Keith, but as much substance as Amy! You've identified the problems OK, but there's no answers in that waffle. I thought that was a bit harsh piebaps. Keith has certainly wrote a lot of words and has written more on here than any other prospective candidate in this election and I thought he was being quite open. I would not like to see the candidates slate each other off as to me, this only shows a negative side to them and would prefer to hear questions, answers and as you say solutions. It's good to see him put himself in the lions den and whether this helps or hinders him/them, then this is to be seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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