Uhtred Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I see that in today's Daily Telegraph, Richard Murphy is described as "the architect of Corbynomics and Corbyn's economic guru". So...just like having Harold Shipman as your granny's home care guru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I see that in today's Daily Telegraph, Richard Murphy is described as "the architect of Corbynomics and Corbyn's economic guru". So...just like having Harold Shipman as your granny's home care guru. Murphy was on Radio 4 recently - came across as a total dimwit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I see that in today's Daily Telegraph, Richard Murphy is described as "the architect of Corbynomics and Corbyn's economic guru". So...just like having Harold Shipman as your granny's home care guru. Murphy was on Radio 4 recently - came across as a total dimwit. He's consistent then...that's his default setting when interviewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 He writes far better than he sounds. His economic theories are all bollocks either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 His economic theories are all bollocks either way. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 He is really puffed up to huge self importance at the moment with all of this Corbyn business. He thinks Corbyn is going to lead the country to the promised land based on his economic mantra. His online acoytes are cheering him on. Go Richard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Labours only hope in the foreseeable future is a rethink by Chuka or trying to persuade David Milliband to rejoin the race. Other than that its the Tories for at least another two terms following this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Who knows, socialist popularism has always had a certain appeal - ask Hugo Chavez! The way the race has been covered is a classic example of fake journalistic balance. Burnam makes a policy suggestion - the other moderate candidates have similar policies, but Corbyn is distinctive. So the press compares Burnam and Corbyn. Cooper makes a policy suggestion - the other moderate candidates have similar policies, but Corbyn is distinctive. So the press compares Cooper and Corbyn. Kendall makes a policy suggestion - the other moderate candidates have similar policies, but Corbyn is distinctive. So the press compares Kendall and Corbyn. It's a bit like the Climate Science debate - there isn't a good story in comparing the views of the 99 scientists who understand the evidence, so rather than the press producing 99 stories presenting the state of the art, and 1 about the alternative view, they produce 100 where the alternative view is given a rebuttal in every story. It's false balance - the journalist always wanting to present a countering voice. It's great if your the outsider, but really creates a damaging impression of the actual debate with policies far from the mainstream given far more prominence than they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 It's really poor this election. Listened to a debate on Radio 5 earlier - Liz Kendall - only talks about the South of England and how she can connect with that part of the country. But even then only in woolly non-specific terms and uses empty words like "amazing" and "brilliant" far too much. Yvette Cooper - has run a vicious nasty campaign, accusing new members of being infiltrators and suggesting Burnham step down. Has nothing new to say, seems to want to run on the same platform as 2010 and 2015 elections, which were uninspiring. There's also Ed Balls lurking in the wings - he undermined Blair, messed up with Brown, and misadvised Milliband. He's lost us two elections and he wants more of the same this time and Cooper's not distanced herself from the past or shown how she'll be move the party or the country forwards. New Labour's over, what does 2020 Labour look like? Andy Burnham - I like him. Voted for him in the last leadership election. Until now he's been a straight-up guy, I also like that when he's been wrong he's admitted it and moved on. Comes across well in interviews, and in the flesh (met him in an airport once). But he's all over the shop - what's his vision for the Labour Party in 5 years time - I haven't a clue. I'm very much centre-left but I might vote Corbyn, give him a chance to prove himself because either he'll energise the party win loads of new members and voters and create an alternative Party with a vision for the future. Or we'll do so badly in 2 year's time at the local elections that he'll resign or be booted out, and someone (hopefully) will emerge from the centre that does have vision. The latter is most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 @ Chinahand: True. It's something to write about and it appeals to those who haven't heard it all before. It's the same claptrap served up by the Militant Tendency in the 80s all over again. Entertaining I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 "It's false balance - the journalist always wanting to present a countering voice." Actually it's more likely that in the Wail, Sun, Torygraph, Excess and so on the journalist is always wanting to present the owner's political agenda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 "It's false balance - the journalist always wanting to present a countering voice." Actually it's more likely that in the Wail, Sun, Torygraph, Excess and so on the journalist is always wanting to present the owner's political agenda... 'always wanting to'...I doubt it. Mostly because the editor and owner won't accept much else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhumsaa Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 "It's false balance - the journalist always wanting to present a countering voice." Actually it's more likely that in the Wail, Sun, Torygraph, Excess and so on the journalist is always wanting to present the owner's political agenda... 'always wanting to'...I doubt it. Mostly because the editor and owner won't accept much else. Tomato Tomato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Andy Burnham ... comes across well in interviews He was very weak debating the NHS with Jeremy Hunt on Newsnight ahead of the General Election. He was the Labour health spoke but seemed to have a very poor grasp of what the major concepts and issues would be moving forward. And in general during the campaign he seemed to be overly romantically attached to the 1945 model of the NHS - without seeming to accept any need for public debate about what the scope of the health service should be today - e.g. with respect to how the best treatments can be made available to greatest number of people as often expensive new treatments become available. Personally I believe that a Corbyn Labour Party will be unelectable. And not just because its platform and personalities will be insufficiently popular. The left today, even more so than during the early 80s, is rag, tag and bobtail of often conflicting beliefs - old fashioned leftists like in the 80s - but also vague self-styled anti-capitalists and economic conspiracy theorists. I do not accept that moving away from economic socialism means being the same as the Conservatives. That IMO is a two-dimensional view. It also ignores the fact that on many social issues the Conservative Party is well to left of where Labour was in the 1980s. And yet nobody would say that the Conservatives are indistinguishable from Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 @ Pongo. Agree with every word of that. Burnham was abysmal in the election campaign. Poorly briefed and uninspiring. He has the tendency to try to be all things to all men. There is an art to playing that game so that the various interest groups don't realise you are doing it. He is no artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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