Bobbie Bobster Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 We had a VW at one stage, so would we be entitled to sue VW for being fraudulent as it was bought at the time for fuel economy? This is about emissions, not economy. Everyone knows the economy figures are bollocks anyway. Depends on how they're used. You're not going to get the official figures in real world driving, but it does enable like-for-like comparisons to be made across models and manufacturers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 This is a big big issue really. Governments agree to pollution limits, and set targets for vehicle emissions. If the car passes the test, they are allowed to sell the car. VW cheated the Government test. But not only that, they cheated the entire international community who are trying to control air pollution. Basically, it seems the cars are able to pass the test, but with reduced performance. VW knew they could not sell the reduced performance cars, so they cheated. Potentially, an extra million tons of NOX was released into the atmosphere (so far) because of this cheat. The Guardian says this is more than all UK power stations, industry and agriculture produced in a year. VW agreed to meet standards, which Government set for health reasons. VW cheated and we have been breathing more NOX for years because of it. Class Action anyone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotsAlan Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 VW are fucked. But.. They are not the first to be caught out. Google it. Cummins engines done the same 10 years ago. This is big... Because governments agreed the test regime to suit the Kyoto agreement. Government and corporate cheated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey boy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Can't wait for ads for the "National VW Scandal Helpline" asking you if you've bought a veedub in the last 10 years. If so you could be due compensation. Ring this 0800 number now to discuss your claim with one of our legal experts..... Apparently phone calls are already doing the rounds asking if you've been mis-sold TDI. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisenchuk Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Transgender Doll Inflatable? Oh aye,I bought one of those and the bloody thing went down on me immediately. Could you forward me the telephone number,MB? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sick Moon Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 There's some thing very satisfying about a load of previously über smug, perma tanned, sausage munching squareheads snivelling and grovelling on televisions all over the world. As our old gran used to say, when delivering her summary on the wisdom of European integration, "You can never trust a German!" Does anyone know, what is German for schadenfreude? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I can't bring myself to 'like' your post Sick but it is very amusing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 VW cheating? Next they'll be saying there's no Father Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 VW cheating? Next they'll be saying there's no Father Christmas. Audi at it now too. Poor old VW group. I hope Porsche haven't been at it . Someone said (about 20% ago) about it being a great time to buy VW shares. This isn't over. I'd be tempted to keep ones powder dry at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 VW cheating? Next they'll be saying there's no Father Christmas. Audi at it now too. Poor old VW group. I hope Porsche haven't been at it . Someone said (about 20% ago) about it being a great time to buy VW shares. This isn't over. I'd be tempted to keep ones powder dry at the moment. Porsche don't make that many diesels other than the shitty Cayenne. Great time to buy that diesel Audi or VW Golf you always wanted. They'll be depreciating like fuck as the emissions test is part of the UK MOT. Who is going to pay good money for a car that's going to be a pain in the ass to get an MOT cert for in future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Given some of the old stuff that passes UK MOT emissions tests with ease, these VWs would have to be hugely worse than their published figures for this to be a genuine problem. However, I agree, confidence is dented and many won't take the chance. that's bound to affect residuals and maybe new car discounts. If I was a new car buying sort instead of an old scrooge, I'd be having a look now at the deals available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 .....saw in one of the UK papers today that many car companies have falsified their consumption figures. One of them was 54% down on the actual figures..(sorry about the underlining, just lazy today) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 This isn't about consumption. We all know those are basically lies. Take the company figure and knock 1/3 rd off and you'll be there or thereabouts. It would appear emissions may well be a similar case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 VW cheating? Next they'll be saying there's no Father Christmas. Audi at it now too. Poor old VW group. I hope Porsche haven't been at it . Someone said (about 20% ago) about it being a great time to buy VW shares. This isn't over. I'd be tempted to keep ones powder dry at the moment. http://www.cityam.com/225388/volkswagen-share-price-falls-its-removed-dow-jones-sustainability-indices Cue the selling by certain funds. Down another few percent today. Painful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 UK alone: The specific number of vehicles affected under each brand are: Volkswagen cars 508,276 Audi 393,450 Seat 76,773 Skoda 131,569 VW commercial vehicles 79,838 Total: 1,189,906 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34399503 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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