Chinahand Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Just horrible. Pure terrorism. People, many young and idealistic, rallying in the hope of peace, just cut down. It is a terrible thing - what would you do? Do you stand up and join those showing that terrorism will not defeat them, or do you keep your head down, keep away and safe, but as a result see those who use violence to make their point suppress those trying to peacefully make their point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Interesting piece in today's Grauniad http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/10/the-day-i-met-the-other-victims-of-extremism-boys-brainwashed-to-kill The march was against the Turkish Gov crackdown on the Kurdish PKK - a terrorist organisation or freedom fighters? You decide... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Just horrible. Pure terrorism. People, many young and idealistic, rallying in the hope of peace, just cut down. It is a terrible thing - what would you do? Do you stand up and join those showing that terrorism will not defeat them, or do you keep your head down, keep away and safe, but as a result see those who use violence to make their point suppress those trying to peacefully make their point. What do you do? Avoid these sorts of countries for a start. Plenty of places to go without the risks. And where possible support the wider effort to eradicate terrorism by as brutal means as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 If I was the Turkish Government I'd be more worried about the Russian Airforce MIG the Turkish Airforce shot down this morning. Putin is going to find a way to badly fuck them over for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Another holiday destination going to suffer, with it the locals who depend on the tourist industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I have a nasty feeling that something is brewing in those parts that is going to have some even more unpleasant conflict implications of a much larger nature. The super-powers are now present and being actively sucked into an escalating situation. Multiple different parties in the same theatre with their own agendas. The Allies are bombing ISIS, Syria has its own civil war and conflict with ISIS, Russia now intervenes to support Assad, attacking the insurgents that the allies support against Assad. It's becoming very messy and blurred...how long before there's an Allied/Russian airborne incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I have a nasty feeling that something is brewing in those parts that is going to have some even more unpleasant conflict implications of a much larger nature. The super-powers are now present and being actively sucked into an escalating situation. Multiple different parties in the same theatre with their own agendas. The Allies are bombing ISIS, Syria has its own civil war and conflict with ISIS, Russia now intervenes to support Assad, attacking the insurgents that the allies support against Assad. It's becoming very messy and blurred...how long before there's an Allied/Russian airborne incident? Yes, how dare those pesky Russians attack 'our' terrorists ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Another holiday destination going to suffer, with it the locals who depend on the tourist industry. As per the Sex Pistols ... I don't wanna holiday in the sun, I want to go to the new Belsen .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 ...how long before there's an Allied/Russian airborne incident? And should think the Israelis won't be too keen on the Russians overtly propping up Assad either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizo Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Sat in a bar in Turkey right now, watching thunder and lightening. All is well, nothing to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 They are trying to blame the bombing on ISIS. Too easy. There are so many factions involved here and little love for the Kurds and their supporters in Turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 Whether it is easy or not the answer to who committed this atrocity can only really come from evidence and not the persuasiveness of the theory behind that evidence. The trouble is evidence is sparse and so different theories can always be spun. Trying to double think the rationalizations used to justify doing this is basically impossible - there are too many possibilities. Is it IS targeting simply attaching a large gathering of people it considers the enemy, nationalists targeting Kurdish sympathizers, supporters of the deep state who believe it is worthwhile to sacrifice a few to wake up the many to the dangers their country will face if don't support it. These combinations aren't even mutually exclusive let alone complete. All we really know is that a group of people, for probably a complex mix of motives, coldly planned to murder a large number of people. Shivers. I wonder how many of them will be held to account for doing that. Sadly I suspect it will be a small fraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Whether it is easy or not the answer to who committed this atrocity can only really come from evidence and not the persuasiveness of the theory behind that evidence. The trouble is evidence is sparse and so different theories can always be spun. Trying to double think the rationalizations used to justify doing this is basically impossible - there are too many possibilities. Is it IS targeting simply attaching a large gathering of people it considers the enemy, nationalists targeting Kurdish sympathizers, supporters of the deep state who believe it is worthwhile to sacrifice a few to wake up the many to the dangers their country will face if don't support it. These combinations aren't even mutually exclusive let alone complete. All we really know is that a group of people, for probably a complex mix of motives, coldly planned to murder a large number of people. Shivers. I wonder how many of them will be held to account for doing that. Sadly I suspect it will be a small fraction. I thought I read somewhere that IS are claiming responsibility.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Whether it is easy or not the answer to who committed this atrocity can only really come from evidence and not the persuasiveness of the theory behind that evidence. The trouble is evidence is sparse and so different theories can always be spun. Trying to double think the rationalizations used to justify doing this is basically impossible - there are too many possibilities. Is it IS targeting simply attaching a large gathering of people it considers the enemy, nationalists targeting Kurdish sympathizers, supporters of the deep state who believe it is worthwhile to sacrifice a few to wake up the many to the dangers their country will face if don't support it. These combinations aren't even mutually exclusive let alone complete. All we really know is that a group of people, for probably a complex mix of motives, coldly planned to murder a large number of people. Shivers. I wonder how many of them will be held to account for doing that. Sadly I suspect it will be a small fraction. No-one knows which mercenaries are working for who, which side they'll be on next week, who really is funding ISIS and what everyone is going to do next. It's a mess. The US and it's allies have been carrying out 'sorties' for 4 years and yet Putin comes in and wipes out most of the terrorist infrastructure and personnel in 2 weeks. The west are a joke and have been shown up to be such. It has been about the pipeline from Qatar to the Med via Syria all along and Putin comes in and checkmates them to maintain his gas monopoly. Be interesting, or scary, to see how this plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 A great FT article on Isis and oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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