HeliX Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11970391/Internet-firms-to-be-banned-from-offering-out-of-reach-communications-under-new-laws.html Looks like it's actually going through this time. Is there not a single person in the UK Cabinet with any Cyber Security experience? What a fucking disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yeah, because real terrorists use global branded communication channels.... It will help them catch some low hanging fruit but this isn't going to really affect those with genuine reasons to hide. It's concerning that they're shoehorning the retention of internet browsing history into this too. It's just one data breach from an internet provider away from being a significant issue for a lot of people who might not be looking at illegal things, but potentially embarrassing both personally and professionally. You only have to look at Talk Talk to understand how real that threat is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 I'm less concerned with who they're catching and more concerned that by definition, if it's possible for someone to break the encryption, it's possible for anyone to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yes, exactly. See TSA keys for a real world parallel. http://jasongriffey.net/wp/2015/10/19/tsa-master-keys-threat-models-and-encryption/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 As with other technology you can't uninvent it. So if it exists the bad boys will be using it or its equivalent anyway. It's the ordinary citizen that will be inconvenienced and compromised. Law of unintended consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 As with other technology you can't uninvent it. So if it exists the bad boys will be using it or its equivalent anyway. It's the ordinary citizen that will be inconvenienced and compromised. Law of unintended consequences. Really? How will the ordinary citizen be inconvenienced and compromised by not having access to unbreakably encrypted messaging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Just what could go wrong with their inclusion of allowing Councils and the Taxman into viewing your Internet history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 As with other technology you can't uninvent it. So if it exists the bad boys will be using it or its equivalent anyway. It's the ordinary citizen that will be inconvenienced and compromised. Law of unintended consequences. Really? How will the ordinary citizen be inconvenienced and compromised by not having access to unbreakably encrypted messaging? Just as an example, but were someone to gain access to your WiFi, the only thing currently stopping them from reading every message you send is E2E Encryption. Extending that wider, doesn't really need to be WiFi access, just anyone able to grab traffic at any point between you and your destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I understand that. But I have no reason to be worried about my messages being read. They are all innocuous. My banking, password and payment information is and will remain encrypted, as I understand the legislation. I am not daft enough to put that info in an email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yeah, because real terrorists use global branded communication channels.... It will help them catch some low hanging fruit but this isn't going to really affect those with genuine reasons to hide. It's concerning that they're shoehorning the retention of internet browsing history into this too. It's just one data breach from an internet provider away from being a significant issue for a lot of people who might not be looking at illegal things, but potentially embarrassing both personally and professionally. You only have to look at Talk Talk to understand how real that threat is. Agreed. All sorts of potential for celebrity disclosures and other stuff if this data is kept and stored by the ISPs etc. it's madness. Imagine in hundreds of years to come what will happen with all this data stored. It could change your view of history. It would be like finding out now that William Shakespeare had a documented predilection for group sex or shemale porn. Storing browser information is just too much data that can be used for so many purposes that haven't even been invented yet. It could even trash people's reputations long after their deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yeah, because real terrorists use global branded communication channels.... It will help them catch some low hanging fruit but this isn't going to really affect those with genuine reasons to hide. It's concerning that they're shoehorning the retention of internet browsing history into this too. It's just one data breach from an internet provider away from being a significant issue for a lot of people who might not be looking at illegal things, but potentially embarrassing both personally and professionally. You only have to look at Talk Talk to understand how real that threat is. Agreed. All sorts of potential for celebrity disclosures and other stuff if this data is kept and stored by the ISPs etc. it's madness. Imagine in hundreds of years to come what will happen with all this data stored. It could change your view of history. It would be like finding out now that William Shakespeare had a documented predilection for group sex or shemale porn. Storing browser information is just too much data that can be used for so many purposes that haven't even been invented yet. It could even trash people's reputations long after their deaths. .... a bit like ink and paper, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 I understand that. But I have no reason to be worried about my messages being read. They are all innocuous. My banking, password and payment information is and will remain encrypted, as I understand the legislation. I am not daft enough to put that info in an email. What a curious viewpoint. Innocuous or not, I don't think the majority of people want their private conversations to become public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 They aren't becoming public, are they? They will be able to be read by certain agencies, but not by the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 They aren't becoming public, are they? They will be able to be read by certain agencies, but not by the public. And anyone nefarious who cares to capture them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yeah, because real terrorists use global branded communication channels.... It will help them catch some low hanging fruit but this isn't going to really affect those with genuine reasons to hide. It's concerning that they're shoehorning the retention of internet browsing history into this too. It's just one data breach from an internet provider away from being a significant issue for a lot of people who might not be looking at illegal things, but potentially embarrassing both personally and professionally. You only have to look at Talk Talk to understand how real that threat is. Agreed. All sorts of potential for celebrity disclosures and other stuff if this data is kept and stored by the ISPs etc. it's madness. Imagine in hundreds of years to come what will happen with all this data stored. It could change your view of history. It would be like finding out now that William Shakespeare had a documented predilection for group sex or shemale porn. Storing browser information is just too much data that can be used for so many purposes that haven't even been invented yet. It could even trash people's reputations long after their deaths. .... a bit like ink and paper, really. No most unlike paper. Imagine being able to see everything anyone had ever viewed, or read, or posted online in their entire life. Even when they were pissed or depressed or angry. It's a frightening amount of data to be accessible. Only an idiot would think there was any validity to holding this much data in anyone. It's just a gateway to bribery (as the Talk Talk episode shows it won't be held 100% securely) and corruption, and its almost like opening up the inside of people's heads to the security services. Who again don't have a perfect track record on how data is used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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