guzzi Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 The Telegraph: "Companies such as Apple, Google and others will no longer be able to offer encryption so advanced that even they cannot decipher it when asked to under the Investigatory Powers Bill' Most of the above posts are predicated on the false assumption that all messaging will have to be in the clear. Encryption won't be banned, and the casual villain won't be able to get at your messages. In short, people are overreacting in a paranoid manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 The Telegraph: "Companies such as Apple, Google and others will no longer be able to offer encryption so advanced that even they cannot decipher it when asked to under the Investigatory Powers Bill' Most of the above posts are predicated on the false assumption that all messaging will have to be in the clear. Encryption won't be banned, and the casual villain won't be able to get at your messages. In short, people are overreacting in a paranoid manner. I'm not working on that assumption at all. See my posts on page one. I understand fully the implications, I have to, it's my job. The casual villain is more than capable of decrypting messages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I understand that. But I have no reason to be worried about my messages being read. They are all innocuous. My banking, password and payment information is and will remain encrypted, as I understand the legislation. I am not daft enough to put that info in an email. Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Internet firms will have to store details of every website visited by UK citizens in the past 12 months, under planned new surveillance laws. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34715872 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Internet firms will have to store details of every website visited by UK citizens in the past 12 months, under planned new surveillance laws. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34715872 As we're not part of the UK will that apply here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Internet firms will have to store details of every website visited by UK citizens in the past 12 months, under planned new surveillance laws. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34715872 As we're not part of the UK will that apply here? I suspect this is actually a retroactive law, given that Tempora already exists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora). A case of act first, ask for permission later. Might be worth asking Manx Telecom/Sure/Bluewave etc if they're intending to comply with these "new" laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotsAlan Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 This is an ideal thread for me to welcome the people of the UK to China. Restricted, controlled and recorded internet. In the name of national security. And there was me thinking the UK was a defender of freedom across the world. We invade sovereign nations to remove dictatorships. In the name of freedom. Then we use the threat created by those invasions to "tighten up" on national security. Lol. Welcome to China :-) But of course, china does not have to invade countries, kill hundreds of thousands, and reduce countries to rubble to justify their control over their own populace. They just sort of control things. And generally for the better good. But dumbocracy needs an enemy to justify control. So they went out and created enemies. Honestly, its rule by fear. Fear them...then vote for us. We will keep you safe. And the suckers fall for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 My rights as an individual have to be removed and infringed...to protect me from an imaginary bogeyman... But then am I the bogeyman...who knows? I mean that's why they have to read my email and internet history right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOMRS97 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 If government are expecting to be able to access all communications, how does this deal with Internet Cafe's and Pay as you go mobile phones? Or is there a way of knowing who is using them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 If government are expecting to be able to access all communications, how does this deal with Internet Cafe's and Pay as you go mobile phones? Or is there a way of knowing who is using them? MAC addresses. Although there are some which can be dynamically changed they are quite rare in consumer electronics. Mobile phones are so very simple to trace as the owner runs around the country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 My rights as an individual have to be removed and infringed...to protect me from an imaginary bogeyman... But then am I the bogeyman...who knows? I mean that's why they have to read my email and internet history right? You clearly have no idea how successful security agencies are in preventing acts of aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I understand that. But I have no reason to be worried about my messages being read. They are all innocuous. My banking, password and payment information is and will remain encrypted, as I understand the legislation. I am not daft enough to put that info in an email. Oh dear. There is more than one point of view on this subject, Lxxx. Clearly, I am swimming against the tide here, though, and frankly I don't have the stomach for further gratuitous ridicule ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 My rights as an individual have to be removed and infringed...to protect me from an imaginary bogeyman... But then am I the bogeyman...who knows? I mean that's why they have to read my email and internet history right? You clearly have no idea how successful security agencies are in preventing acts of aggression. How does accessing my email prevent terrorism? I am fully aware of how criminal and terrorist acts are prevented, but blanket access is a step too far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 My rights as an individual have to be removed and infringed...to protect me from an imaginary bogeyman... But then am I the bogeyman...who knows? I mean that's why they have to read my email and internet history right? You clearly have no idea how successful security agencies are in preventing acts of aggression. How does accessing my email prevent terrorism? I am fully aware of how criminal and terrorist acts are prevented, but blanket access is a step too far Blanket access is needed to build up a database which is then used for historical access. There are hardly going to publish a list of the porn sites you visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Fugit Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 all this encryption lark reminds me of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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