manxb&b Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 "execution" Sorry, are we living in some Third World Middle Eastern country now? Executing people for crimes has been proven as reliable a deterrent to crime as tickling them is. Well it's definately a reliable way of cutting down on repeat offenders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 .........except if they did it here the state would feel obliged to support them with false limbs and finance.....................unless they had no help as part of the sentence.................hmmmm.........don't think it would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 How do you work that one out RManx ? How are you measuring that ? Does one person losing their hand invalidate the deterrence theory ? Is that your schoolboy logic ? Not that I would want to see barbaric mutilation here. Deterrence is much more complex than you seem to be arguing anyway. You're sounding like a first year Polytechnic student again, three weeks in to the autumn term and marching already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 How do you work that one out RManx ? How are you measuring that ? Does one person losing their hand invalidate the deterrence theory ? Is that your schoolboy logic ? Not that I would want to see barbaric mutilation here. Deterrence is much more complex than you seem to be arguing anyway. You're sounding like a first year Polytechnic student again, three weeks in to the autumn term and marching already. Middle Eastern countries have been mutilating and executing people for centuries for crimes like theft and murder, yet to this day they still have people who rob and kill. Despite the deterrence. Yes reoffending is hard when you are missing a hand or dead, but that doesn't stop the next criminal stepping up does it? It has nothing to do with "schoolboy" logic, its a cold hard fact. Maiming and killing people has zero effect as a deterrence. That is why civilised countries did away with the death penalty (notice I didn't say Western Countries...America I am looking at you...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 How do you know it has zero effect ? What an absurd thing to say. What is your evidence ? Is it your logic that deterrence only works if it is 100% successful ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 How do you know it has zero effect ? What an absurd thing to say. What is your evidence ? Is it your logic that deterrence only works if it is 100% successful ? I agree, zero effect? If they're dead, I'm pretty sure that it will be a 100% success rate as its unlikely that they'll be committing any crime ever again as mentioned earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 And yet they still have people stealing and robbing...it is almost as if it has utterly failed as a deterrent... They won't do it with that hand again though, so it's a result. If the threat of mutilation or death isn't working as a deterrent to carrying out the crime in the first place, maybe they need to rethink their deterrent... dead people don't re-offend. winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxb&b Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 How do you work that one out RManx ? How are you measuring that ? Does one person losing their hand invalidate the deterrence theory ? Is that your schoolboy logic ? Not that I would want to see barbaric mutilation here. Deterrence is much more complex than you seem to be arguing anyway. You're sounding like a first year Polytechnic student again, three weeks in to the autumn term and marching already. Middle Eastern countries have been mutilating and executing people for centuries for crimes like theft and murder, yet to this day they still have people who rob and kill. Despite the deterrence. Yes reoffending is hard when you are missing a hand or dead, but that doesn't stop the next criminal stepping up does it? It has nothing to do with "schoolboy" logic, its a cold hard fact. Maiming and killing people has zero effect as a deterrence. That is why civilised countries did away with the death penalty (notice I didn't say Western Countries...America I am looking at you...) So you think if Middle Eastern countries did away with the whole killing and maiming thing, that crime rates wouldn't soar dramatically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 And no-one ever has been wrongly convicted of a crime and executed...ever...anywhere...(/sarcasm) And yes, executed criminals will not reoffend (if they offended in the first place), but I bet our rehabilitation rate is better than theirs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 So you think if Middle Eastern countries did away with the whole killing and maiming thing, that crime rates wouldn't soar dramatically? Did the UK's where they repealed the death sentence? I bet it didn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 There's a logical fallacy in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I am quoting from a pompous police statement quoted in this week's Courier referring to the robbery at Newby's Newsagents in Glen Falcon Road, Douglas, where the scumbag in question threw a "small banger firework" at the lone female employee and made off with the "drop box" containing £1000: "This is a very alarming method of offending, but thankfully there were no serious physical injuries to the lady. I do not dismiss the fact that such crimes can have a serious detrimental physiological impact on victims and of course I am mindful to ongoing public concerns." Er, I'm guessing that, in the quest to use five long words where one simple one will suffice, someone is not "mindful to" [poor old English language] the difference between "psychological" and "physiological". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 This isn't the same guy but it's roughly the same crime http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/burglar-crept-into-houses-as-victims-slept-1-7781924Sentenced to 7 years 6 months, and is a standard repeat offender . Everyone has a choice in their life, and this person has chosen poorly. A quick google on https://www.judgments.im/ shows he's one of the regulars. Hopefully he stays in prison for the full 7 and a half years and doesn't bother us again with his crimes until 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauder Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Agreed,can't have those "eastern Europeans" doing things like this and getting away with it,deport him I say. Oh hang on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Agreed,can't have those "eastern Europeans" doing things like this and getting away with it,deport him I say. Oh hang on! they should send him to some cold little shit hole in the middle of the irish sea when he gets out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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