the stinking enigma Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 i've been wracking my brain cell all day and still i can only come up with 3 maybe 4 friends where our relationship and trust is so well founded that i would let them bring someone round to my house to torture them rather than mess up their own houses, if their wives and kids were a bit squeamish about it happening at their house maybe. it would take a lot of trust on both sides i would imagine, not something i would do for a mere aquaintance certainly. so i would find it a little hypocritical if we fell out at a later date and they then started slagging me off down the village shop, calling me a tyrant and an abuser of human rights when it was all fine when i was doing it for them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Syria Former CIA agent Robert Baer described the policy to the New Statesman: "If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria. If you want someone to disappear – never to see them again – you send them to Egypt" no doubt assad is a tyrant and abuser of human rights but he was okay dokey when doing it on our behalf because its illegal to do in our far more advanced countries. if destroying IS is the primary aim then bombing Assad and arming "moderates" to overthrow him whilst claiming the moral high ground seems a bit of a strange way to go about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Border Terrier Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 We could see atrocities in London tomorrow and then everyone would flip their opinion. Already happened a few times, carried out by Britons. And when it happens again, my money is on it being carried out by Britons. >my money is on it being carried out by Britons And if so, one wonders if they'll advocate bombing oil refineries on British soil. I've no confidence in a military solution to all of this. Arguably it's the intervention of the military that has created the problem in the 1st instance. TBT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anaghcoarite Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Let's get straight to the point. We need to round up all Muslims and put them in internment camps. Collar the lot, as Winston Churchill infamously said of Germans during WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 The more resources thrown at degrading IS the better. One of the ifs would be around the question of whether yet more air power can actually succeed in sufficiently degrading IS. 'Sufficiently' downgrading IS for what? Come on, pragmatic answers only please... I am in favour of Britain supporting her allies. I would support the British govt in seeking approval for action. But I am not convinced that more of the same is going to significantly change the situation. I hope it does but am pessimistic. Modern warfare is about winning as easily as possible. So ideally you want to be able to massacre your enemy from a position of safety. So air power, particularly drones, are the current weapon of choice in Syria / Iraq. What planet are you on - can you see Planet Earth from up there? You seem to be looking to win an argument rather having than a conversation. You're having a laugh! Why is it that (presumably) intelligent adults seem to think that we live in a perfect world where everything is black and white? It's not. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of disparate groups fighting IS, Assad and each other in Syria. FFS anyone in business knows that the more folks you have at a meeting the less likely you are to end up with a pragmatic consensus! Any thicko knows that this can only end with boots on the ground. For the time being whose boots they are is a bit of an irrelevance. However seriously degrading IS from the air can only help the final effort. That's where we currently are. Oh, and please don't lose any sleep over whether or not the air campaign is succeeding or not. They're doing a job that recently took out Emwazi. Works for me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anaghcoarite Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Why is it that (presumably) intelligent adults..... LMAO. You're on Manx Forums, you dick head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Piss off TJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anaghcoarite Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Not sure what that means but sure it describes you and not me, baffoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Not sure what that means but sure it describes you and not me, baffoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweek Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I'm confused. Is it a bit like this? President Assad (who is bad) is a nasty guy who got so nasty his people rebelled and the Rebels (who are good) started winning. But then some of the rebels turned a bit nasty and are now called Isamic State (who are definitely bad!) and some continued to support democracy (who are still good.) So the Americans (who are good) started bombing Islamic State (who are bad) and giving arms to the Syrian Rebels (who are good) so they could fight Assad (who is still bad) which was good. Then there is a breakaway state in the north run by the Kurds who want to fight IS (which is a good thing) but the Turkish authorities think (they are bad), so we have to say they are bad whilst secretly thinking they're good and giving them guns to fight IS (which is good). And in Syria President Putin (who is bad, cos he invaded Crimea and the Ukraine and killed lots of folks including that nice Russian man in London with polonium) has decided to back Assad (who is still bad) by attacking IS (who are also bad). But Putin (still bad) thinks the Syrian Rebels (who are good), (are also bad), and so he bombs them too, much to the annoyance of the Americans (who are good ) who are busy backing and arming the rebels (who are also good). And Iran (who used to be bad, but now they have agreed not to build any nuclear weapons and bomb Israel are now good) are going to provide ground troops to support Assad (still bad) as are the Russians (who are still bad) who now have ground troops and aircraft in Syria. So a Coalition of Assad (still bad) Putin (extra bad) and the Iranians (good, but in a bad sort of way) are going to attack IS (who are bad ) which is a good thing, but also the Syrian Rebels (who are good) which is bad. And the British (obviously good, except that nice Mr Corbyn who is probably bad) and the Americans (also good ) cannot attack Assad (still bad) for fear of upsetting Putin (bad) and Iran (good and bad) and now they have to accept that Assad might not be that bad after all compared to IS (WHO ARE SUPER BAD). So Assad (bad) is now probably good, being better than IS (but let's face it, drinking your own wee is better than IS so no real choice there) and since Putin and Iran are also fighting IS that may now make them Good. America (still Good) will find it hard to arm a group of rebels being attacked by the Russians for fear of upsetting Mr Putin (now good) and that nice mad Ayatollah in Iran (also now Good) and so they may be forced to say that the Rebels are now Bad, or at the very least abandon them to their own fate. This will lead most of them to flee to Turkey and on to Europe or join IS (still the only constantly bad group). And for Sunni Muslims, an attack by Shia Muslims (Assad and Iran) backed by Russians will be seen as something of a Holy War, and the ranks of IS will now be seen by the Sunnis as the only Jihadis fighting in the Holy War and hence many Muslims will now see IS as Good. Sunni Muslims will also see the lack of action by Britain and America in support of their Sunni rebel brothers as something of a cop out and hence Britain will be seen as Bad. So now we have America (now bad) and Britain (also bad) providing limited support to Sunni Rebels (bad) many of whom are looking to IS (Good/bad) for support against Assad (now good) who, along with Iran (also Good) and Putin (also, now, unbelievably, Good) are attempting to retake the country Assad used to run before all this started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 You copied that from Reddit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweek Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 An email I got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Many people being held hostage or occupied by IS are also affected by bombing IS. The people who live in the areas they occupy are human shields. we can't hide from your bombs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 France bombs Syria...terrorist attack Paris...France carries on bombing Syria And now we want to start bombing Syria...its hardly rocket science to see what the consequences will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 More dead religious people are best religious people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 France bombs Syria...terrorist attack Paris...France carries on bombing Syria And now we want to start bombing Syria...its hardly rocket science to see what the consequences will be Bombing Syria won't make Britain safer but terrorist atrocities in Britain will happen whether or not. We have got ourselves into this mess by breeding our own home grown Islamists who see no affiliation to Britain. Their allegiance is to the worldwide caliphate. It's a terminal cancer for a peaceful society. It is now a fact of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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