anaghcoarite Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I think it's an anti-abortionist attacking a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic or is that something else happening in 'MURICA at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Disability centre, according to BBC. "The organisation administers help to people with disabilities like autism and other mental health problems" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34987697 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Yes, fuelled with what? Who are the UK buying fuel and bombs and stuff like that from? Pah, stupid government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey boy Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Time for Tynwald to grow a pair & distance us from UK foreign policy. We need to stop paying those butchers to slaughter innocents. Our spending on defence makes us a far bigger target than if we spent nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 You can almost hear the cash registers rack up with each explosion. Although Cammers has changed his tune since October (i.e. before the Paris bombing): "Russia's bombing campaign in Syria will lead to further radicalisation and increased terrorism" 4th October 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 yawn. Companies make money out of war. So what? Plenty make money with no war. So what? The right decision has been made. As much as we'd all like to sit around tree hugging it isn't going to solve the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Skies Are Grey Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I wonder why the term "tree hugging" is used by the war mongerers all the time......its a curious term to use in a derogatory sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 yawn. Companies make money out of war. So what? Plenty make money with no war. So what? The right decision has been made. As much as we'd all like to sit around tree hugging it isn't going to solve the issue. Your ignorance continues to shine. We will be feeling the repercussions of this decision for decades to come. Those who voted for will have the blood of thousands on their hands. Not that they will care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 There aren't any workable alternatives to direct action, anything less would be appeasement which would certainly fit in with the supremacist IS narrative. If you can't tell the difference between a diplomatic solution which doesn't result in massive loss of life and appeasement, you are just as bad as Cameron. How can you be "diplomatic" with savages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 what is the RAF's piddly 8 Tornados operating out of Cyprus going to achieve? We will be feeling the repercussions of this decision for decades to come. Make your mind up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 The game of power politics, if really played hard, presses the players into two rival camps, though so complicated is the business of making and maintaining alliances that the game may be played hard enough to produce that result only under the pressure of war.Kenneth Wally quoted by Philip Ball in Critical Mass The Great Power rivalry over Syria isn't quite doing this - because there aren't yet just two sides, there are still (at least) three. The rivalries between the west and Russia are trying to collapse this process down a step further, but disagreements over the fate of Assad is prolonging the conflict and hence leaving that space for ISIS to radicalize. Cameron was right, Putin by not siding with the West is prolonging the fight and hence increasing radicalization; and Putin can reverse the situation and say exactly the same thing about Cameron. It's a classic Prisoner's Dilemma and though it would be better for the two sides to cooperate, they've in fact both defected creating a worse outcome all round. Assad's played a wily game and Putin's bought into it. Who knows what the result will be. Blood, a lot of it, is about the only certainty ... oh dear that puts us in the direction of MacBeth ... … in blood Stepped in so far that, should [we] wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o'er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 There aren't any workable alternatives to direct action, anything less would be appeasement which would certainly fit in with the supremacist IS narrative. If you can't tell the difference between a diplomatic solution which doesn't result in massive loss of life and appeasement, you are just as bad as Cameron. How can you be "diplomatic" with savages? Maybe we start with sanctions on Saudi Arabia. Then agree that Saudi Arabia must stop arming IS. Then negotiations between the Syrian Government, Russia and the "Allies" to try and resolve the internal Syrian issue which will rob IS of their fertile recruiting and operating space. Then work with the Syrian Government to remove IS from Syria (rather than trying to do it all ourselves). ...or we could engage in war efforts in yet another Middle Eastern country (what is that military truism about not fighting on multiple fronts?) and waste billions of tax payer money creating a stronger enemy out of IS (Yes this is the third time I have posted this. Apparently the "bombs or bust" crowd can't get beyond their narrow war mongering view) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Time for Tynwald to grow a pair & distance us from UK foreign policy. Monkey, you just don't understand the "relationship" between the Island and the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 what is the RAF's piddly 8 Tornados operating out of Cyprus going to achieve? We will be feeling the repercussions of this decision for decades to come. Make your mind up! We have tossed our tiny hat into a much bigger ring. By dropping just one bomb we have signed up to decades of fighting, trillions spent and dozens if not hundreds of service personnel dead. Not to mention the repercussions to the streets of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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