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The War in Syria - ISIS et al


Chinahand

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40 minutes ago, Lxxx said:

I don't think he is either. He's a well educated man whose country is being hounded by war hawks who'd like to use the territory to fight their proxy battles.

Not to mention swarms of well organised islamic invaders hell bent on spreading the infection of 7th century barbarity.

I wonder if the lack of support for Assad (from the UK especially) is not down to raw fear by the UK government of what would happen in the UK if we DID support the legitimate Syrian government.

After all, we have a very well established and growing Fifth Column in the UK.

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31 minutes ago, Rog said:

Not to mention swarms of well organised islamic invaders hell bent on spreading the infection of 7th century barbarity.

I wonder if the lack of support for Assad (from the UK especially) is not down to raw fear by the UK government of what would happen in the UK if we DID support the legitimate Syrian government.

After all, we have a very well established and growing Fifth Column in the UK.

Half of the muslims in the UK wouldn't even be able to locate Syria on a map let alone bother about what's happening there.

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8 minutes ago, Lxxx said:

Half of the muslims in the UK wouldn't even be able to locate Syria on a map let alone bother about what's happening there.

Very true that they don't know where Syria is, but the whole lot will perceive what they see as their brothers being attacked by the Kafir that supercedes all and every hostility between the Islam "schools of jurisprudence".

They then have a "religious" DUTY to attack we Kafir wherever and whenever they can strike us.

That REALLY is how it works.

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Rot, Stinky.  It is possible to have more than one strategic aim.  The more important one was stopping ISIS, but removing Assad has also been a policy goal of the UK for quite a while.  The fact is though there has never been sufficient desire to take "active measures" to achieve it and given the reality of Russian support the West's negotiators have usually left Assad's ongoing role in Syria vague.  The overall aim is to see him replaced - but if it is necessary for him to stay in place for an interim period that was seen as a worthwhile compromise for getting a peace settlement.  But Assad has never been interested in that and has simply continued to bring war and horror to his country.

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You should all watch 'Hyper normalisation' by Adam Curtis to gain a valuable viewpoint of this bullshit. Not this latest particular bullshit, but the general bullshit that's endemic to that region. It was on the iPlayer last time I checked.

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15 hours ago, Chinahand said:

Rot, Stinky.  It is possible to have more than one strategic aim.  The more important one was stopping ISIS, but removing Assad has also been a policy goal of the UK for quite a while.  The fact is though there has never been sufficient desire to take "active measures" to achieve it and given the reality of Russian support the West's negotiators have usually left Assad's ongoing role in Syria vague.  The overall aim is to see him replaced - but if it is necessary for him to stay in place for an interim period that was seen as a worthwhile compromise for getting a peace settlement.  But Assad has never been interested in that and has simply continued to bring war and horror to his country.

Assad and the Assad government may not be attractive in Western eyes but he has been defending Syria from falling under islamic rule that is being pushed for by islamic terrorists who will stop at NOTHING to get their way.

There can be no peace with these terrorists because that would involve compromise on their part and to these creatures compromise equates to surrender quite apart from their being involved in what they truly believe is a holy war so compromise is totally unacceptable for that reason alone.

 

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16 minutes ago, Rog said:

Assad and the Assad government may not be attractive in Western eyes but he has been defending Syria from falling under islamic rule that is being pushed for by islamic terrorists who will stop at NOTHING to get their way.

That's simplistic. Syria and Iran back both Hezbollah (Shi'a) and Hamas (Sunni) as part of their proxy war against Israel. It was the Assad regime (under Assad's father), which propagated the use of suicide bombing against Israel and the US (initially in Lebanon). Assad's father began the stockpiling of chemical weapons.

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1 minute ago, pongo said:

That's simplistic. Syria and Iran back both Hezbollah (Shi'a) and Hamas (Sunni) as part of their proxy war against Israel. It was the Assad regime (under Assad's father), which propagated the use of suicide bombing against Israel and the US (initially in Lebanon). Assad's father began the stockpiling of chemical weapons.

So what?

It's immaterial to what is taking place in Syria today and if Assad does get replaced by shameful "regime change" by the West what WILL follow will make the present mess look like a Sunday School picnic.

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Just now, Rog said:

So what?

The so-what is that you are arguing that Assad is some sort of bulwark against terrorism when in reality his family's regime has backed Islamic terrorism for decades.

I'm not arguing for regime change. I'm arguing only against blustering bombast. And against pointlessly choosing sides as if it were a horse race.

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The Assad regime by reacting to the initial protests with such cruelty and violence, and continuing to torture & bomb indiscriminately, are culpable in the destruction of Syria’s civil society and its replacement by extremists, jihadis and commandants who shell hospitals and civilians. 

If ever there was a war which has followed Kenneth Wally’s maxim it is Syria:

The game of power politics, if really played hard, presses the players into two rival camps, though so complicated is the business of making and maintaining alliances that the game may be played hard enough to produce that result only under the pressure of war.

 

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42 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

The Assad regime by reacting to the initial protests with such cruelty and violence, and continuing to torture & bomb indiscriminately, are culpable in the destruction of Syria’s civil society and its replacement by extremists, jihadis and commandants who shell hospitals and civilians. 

If ever there was a war which has followed Kenneth Wally’s maxim it is Syria:

The game of power politics, if really played hard, presses the players into two rival camps, though so complicated is the business of making and maintaining alliances that the game may be played hard enough to produce that result only under the pressure of war.

 

I disagree.

Assad simply did what had to be done.

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