Rog Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 40 minutes ago, Lxxx said: I don't think he is either. He's a well educated man whose country is being hounded by war hawks who'd like to use the territory to fight their proxy battles. Not to mention swarms of well organised islamic invaders hell bent on spreading the infection of 7th century barbarity. I wonder if the lack of support for Assad (from the UK especially) is not down to raw fear by the UK government of what would happen in the UK if we DID support the legitimate Syrian government. After all, we have a very well established and growing Fifth Column in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 That is total rot. The UK has carried out extensive bombing campaigns against ISIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 31 minutes ago, Rog said: Not to mention swarms of well organised islamic invaders hell bent on spreading the infection of 7th century barbarity. I wonder if the lack of support for Assad (from the UK especially) is not down to raw fear by the UK government of what would happen in the UK if we DID support the legitimate Syrian government. After all, we have a very well established and growing Fifth Column in the UK. Half of the muslims in the UK wouldn't even be able to locate Syria on a map let alone bother about what's happening there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Lxxx said: Half of the muslims in the UK wouldn't even be able to locate Syria on a map let alone bother about what's happening there. Very true that they don't know where Syria is, but the whole lot will perceive what they see as their brothers being attacked by the Kafir that supercedes all and every hostility between the Islam "schools of jurisprudence". They then have a "religious" DUTY to attack we Kafir wherever and whenever they can strike us. That REALLY is how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Chinahand said: That is total rot. The UK has carried out extensive bombing campaigns against ISIS. Yes. It was never about regime change. It was about stopping isis. Until silly billy assad used chemical weapons again just as he was about to win again. What a fool he must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 Rot, Stinky. It is possible to have more than one strategic aim. The more important one was stopping ISIS, but removing Assad has also been a policy goal of the UK for quite a while. The fact is though there has never been sufficient desire to take "active measures" to achieve it and given the reality of Russian support the West's negotiators have usually left Assad's ongoing role in Syria vague. The overall aim is to see him replaced - but if it is necessary for him to stay in place for an interim period that was seen as a worthwhile compromise for getting a peace settlement. But Assad has never been interested in that and has simply continued to bring war and horror to his country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 That reads as if written by a precocious 8 year old. I suppose if you don't see it by now you are probably unlikely ever to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 You should all watch 'Hyper normalisation' by Adam Curtis to gain a valuable viewpoint of this bullshit. Not this latest particular bullshit, but the general bullshit that's endemic to that region. It was on the iPlayer last time I checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 15 hours ago, Chinahand said: Rot, Stinky. It is possible to have more than one strategic aim. The more important one was stopping ISIS, but removing Assad has also been a policy goal of the UK for quite a while. The fact is though there has never been sufficient desire to take "active measures" to achieve it and given the reality of Russian support the West's negotiators have usually left Assad's ongoing role in Syria vague. The overall aim is to see him replaced - but if it is necessary for him to stay in place for an interim period that was seen as a worthwhile compromise for getting a peace settlement. But Assad has never been interested in that and has simply continued to bring war and horror to his country. Assad and the Assad government may not be attractive in Western eyes but he has been defending Syria from falling under islamic rule that is being pushed for by islamic terrorists who will stop at NOTHING to get their way. There can be no peace with these terrorists because that would involve compromise on their part and to these creatures compromise equates to surrender quite apart from their being involved in what they truly believe is a holy war so compromise is totally unacceptable for that reason alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Rog said: Assad and the Assad government may not be attractive in Western eyes but he has been defending Syria from falling under islamic rule that is being pushed for by islamic terrorists who will stop at NOTHING to get their way. That's simplistic. Syria and Iran back both Hezbollah (Shi'a) and Hamas (Sunni) as part of their proxy war against Israel. It was the Assad regime (under Assad's father), which propagated the use of suicide bombing against Israel and the US (initially in Lebanon). Assad's father began the stockpiling of chemical weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 minute ago, pongo said: That's simplistic. Syria and Iran back both Hezbollah (Shi'a) and Hamas (Sunni) as part of their proxy war against Israel. It was the Assad regime (under Assad's father), which propagated the use of suicide bombing against Israel and the US (initially in Lebanon). Assad's father began the stockpiling of chemical weapons. So what? It's immaterial to what is taking place in Syria today and if Assad does get replaced by shameful "regime change" by the West what WILL follow will make the present mess look like a Sunday School picnic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, Rog said: So what? The so-what is that you are arguing that Assad is some sort of bulwark against terrorism when in reality his family's regime has backed Islamic terrorism for decades. I'm not arguing for regime change. I'm arguing only against blustering bombast. And against pointlessly choosing sides as if it were a horse race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 The Assad regime by reacting to the initial protests with such cruelty and violence, and continuing to torture & bomb indiscriminately, are culpable in the destruction of Syria’s civil society and its replacement by extremists, jihadis and commandants who shell hospitals and civilians. If ever there was a war which has followed Kenneth Wally’s maxim it is Syria: The game of power politics, if really played hard, presses the players into two rival camps, though so complicated is the business of making and maintaining alliances that the game may be played hard enough to produce that result only under the pressure of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 42 minutes ago, Chinahand said: The Assad regime by reacting to the initial protests with such cruelty and violence, and continuing to torture & bomb indiscriminately, are culpable in the destruction of Syria’s civil society and its replacement by extremists, jihadis and commandants who shell hospitals and civilians. If ever there was a war which has followed Kenneth Wally’s maxim it is Syria: The game of power politics, if really played hard, presses the players into two rival camps, though so complicated is the business of making and maintaining alliances that the game may be played hard enough to produce that result only under the pressure of war. I disagree. Assad simply did what had to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Quote "Britain should press for an independent UN-led investigation of last weekend's horrific chemical weapons attack so that those responsible can be held to account." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43751440 says corbyn knowing russia vetoed that at the un security council a few days ago..... which side is he on again........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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