woolley Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 New year, same stuff. The advocates of the the status quo of the past half century claim exclusive rights to wisdom. Anyone who disagrees therefore is deluded. "They were hoodwinked; they know not what they do." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 So enlighten us oh wise one...what will happen as a result of Brexit/Trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Wait and see. Change is exciting isn't it? Quite obvious that the old order had run out of road and too many people had become sick to the back teeth. The ones who are crying foul are those who had become comfortable whether financially or politically or both. I include myself in the former group, but I know an awful lot of people who do not and a big shake up was needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 That's a description of a mid life crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Wait and see. Biggest cop out answer ever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Trump will be fine for the UK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Trump will be fine for the UK. Nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Wait and see. Biggest cop out answer ever... Not at all. I don't have a crystal ball. The cop out answer is the one promoted by you and your colleagues that it's all going to be terrible. You sought enlightenment but I don't have a crystal ball. Neither do you, incidentally, despite the fact that you are forever trying to talk the situation down which risks becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. I do have an opinion which is that the EU is finished whatever we do and it is better to be away from the final collapse than in the misdst of it, just as it is better not to be involved in the disastrous euro that we were told was going to be nirvana by those who are supposed to know. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge could tell you it would end in tears. Free from the strictures of the EU I do believe that the UK economy will be enhanced in the long term. A new, looser European trading arrangement may yet emerge without pretensions to statehood. If someone offered me a warrant for either a million euros or a million pounds redeemable in twenty years I know which I would take. What about you? As for Trump, again, we do not know. There are some very different ideas involved for a geoplitical settlement and the current situation is hardly ideal. Give it a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I still think a war is coming. Germany will forcefully move to extend the EU and thus it'll all come crashing down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Brexit hasn't yet happened so what its outcome will be is anyone's guess. My point is that the Prime Minister can't even say what Brexit will be and she's running the country. Of course she can't, because it would be ridiculous to try. There is a negotiation to be undertaken. It doesn't follow that, as is repeated ad nauseam and seemingly never challenged by the media, those preparing the negotiation haven't got a clue. No doubt they have a whole range of options and fallback positions. I would have made it absolutely straightforward. After the referendum I'd have announced that we were giving notice to leave and that any country that wished to trade freely with the UK could do so provided they reciprocated without barriers. If they wished for a different arrangement then that could be subject to negotiation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 The Donald does something seemingly good shocker. New Republican Congress reverses ethics move after outcry. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38499284 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Why a shocker? Is this not "Drain the Swamp" in action? This wasn't exactly a secret he just sprung on everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 He's pulled General Motors too, on their Mexican business model. So 2 good deeds, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Woolley in 'didn't read the link' shocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 He's pulled General Motors too, on their Mexican business model. So 2 good deeds, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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