Craig King Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 9 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: Henderson and Cretiny would both have been chucked out years ago...if LegCo was publically elected. Well last September, at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannin1 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 This farce shows Tynwald up to be a bunch of self preserving idiots, who are proving more and more how inept and corrupt they are. They and their top officers just keep on taking more and more whilst achieving less and less. Wage increases for most sectors are still being kept at a very low level, which is leading to difficulties recruiting in most sectors and yet they still refuse to accept any form of reform to their own pay and conditions. Every MHK bar one has a departmental pay uplift, and this is spreading into Leg-Co as well now. The whole system is proving how corrupt it is more and more, and I think that like most people on this Island, the outcome of the Lisvane debate had a guaranteed outcome before it even started. A so called Government, that oversees such problems for its population should hang its head in shame !! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 3 hours ago, mannin1 said: A so called Government, that oversees such problems for its population should hang its head in shame !! A government, and its leader, with integrity, backbone and honesty would hang its head in shame. However.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 It's atrocious what we've witnessed in Tynwald over the past two days. The 'Government of Steadfast Complacency' has done it's utmost to ensure little reform is made, whilst it's 'leaders' aren't held to account on important issues one jot. It's a parody of a parliamentary democracy where the views of the electorate receive very short thrift 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) the (something we can't say) revolution..... Edited June 21, 2017 by woody2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 What's the background to that picture Woody. "The Puppet Revolution" "Up the Rebels" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig King Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 According to Howard Quayle the electorate aren't bothered about things like LegCo and Lisvane. That really does show how out of touch the man is. There have been plenty of contributors on Manx Radio Talking Heads/Mannin Line who are interested and are probably more aware than Quayle himself, judging by his interview with Lisvane when he was here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 20 hours ago, 2112 said: Well Howard Quayle will be delighted tonight, the Lisvane Report has been referred to a special Tynpotwald committee, chaired by the Squeaker Watterson, and Baker, Boot, Allison and Cretiny amongst the brains trust. This little hot potato will be well and truly kicked into the long grass. In all fairness can anyone see Cretiny voting for it? It's doubtful any change will occur for some time ........... the ayes have it the ayes have it. All I can say is that they had better do right by the Manx people, I don't hold out much hope that Watterson and Cretney will want change, too institutionalised, but I have faith in the others. This is more important than Quayle seems to think, it could be the undoing of him and others if they try to brush this aside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Donald Trumps said: It's atrocious what we've witnessed in Tynwald over the past two days. The 'Government of Steadfast Complacency' has done it's utmost to ensure little reform is made, whilst it's 'leaders' aren't held to account on important issues one jot. It's a parody of a parliamentary democracy where the views of the electorate receive very short thrift The loss of the VAT has shone a light on exactly what goes on here (IMHO) and as others predicted it would. The increased pressures on finances has in turn questioned leadership, political workings and the priorities of those responsible for such. And we have already been able to see now for some time what the outcomes are; who defends the vested and not-so-vested interests and exactly who is and will be bearing the brunt of the sacred cows and status quo's remaining. Said it before and I'll say it again. Change will have to be implemented from outside IoM. And not on a voluntary, suggested/recommended basis as per Lisvane. How bad things have to get and how long it goes on for before it does might be different questions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Declan said: What's the background to that picture Woody. "The Puppet Revolution" "Up the Rebels" It's a protest to try and get the Manx government to permit Radio Caroline North to continue broadcasting from Ramsey Bay. They buckled under pressure from the UK government, as usual. ETA, This is following the Manx Governments decision to cow tow to their UK masters on the subject. Edited June 21, 2017 by Max Power 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I wonder if any of those kids became mhks. Brown & Cretney maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Could that be Phil Gawne holding the coffin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Donald Trumps said: It's atrocious what we've witnessed in Tynwald over the past two days. The 'Government of Steadfast Complacency' has done it's utmost to ensure little reform is made, whilst it's 'leaders' aren't held to account on important issues one jot. It's a parody of a parliamentary democracy where the views of the electorate receive very short thrift And where is your big mate the "reform" Minister? He has to be a candidate for the Phil Gawne Award for the quickest establishment sell out once given a Ministry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Julie Edge won the vote today for an investigation into govt wages and grades etc. Pound to a pinch of shit she gets voted down when the final proposal is debated. 'Ooooh...this will cost £100k' so lets vote against. Potential saving to us - £millions. Do nothing, fanny about, keep the staus quo Quayle...will do nothing. Is doing nothing. He's even got Chris Thomas on board moaning about the costs. Chris...you can reduce the bill by 20%. Put your Chris Thomas head back on...not the lobotomised government minister PR-Driven non-thinking head. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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