quilp Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 The focus of Lisvane was governance and how it is structured here, not so much the community, although there is the obvious knock-on affect on those who are governed. I'm cynical too; most Manx people have little interest in politics and short memories to boot. Any recommendations will be taken on board by the gang and, I fear, quietly forgotten with little change in the political environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 OK. For instance, to give an idea what I mean about it being suitable for a larger state but not a small island: Recommendation 1 – Election of the Members of the Legislative Council (MLCs): That the House of Keys remain the electoral college but that all candidates for election be nominated by an independent Nominations Commission; That the Nominations Commission be charged with increasing the diversity of the Legislative Council; That no sitting MHK be eligible for nomination; That no proposer or seconder be required; That the vote be open; and That the candidates fill the available places in the order of the votes they secure in a single round of voting; a tie for last place would require a run-off. "all candidates for election be nominated by an independent Nominations Commission;" So that might be fine and dandy in London, but can you imagine it here? For a start, who is going to be on the Nominations Commission? Given the cloistered nature of the great and good here, how is that going to be any less "clubby clubby" than the current system. OK he does say that no sitting MHKs be eligible for nomination, but that doesn't bar failed ones either from standing or indeed being on the Nominations Commission. I think the whole thing is disappointing. I thought he might have come up with some streamlining proposals that would have saved us some money, but not a bit of it. If anything, it will cost money to implement. Belt tightening clearly was not in his terms of reference at all, and of course, taking into account his day job it is scarcely surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubbiali Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I was immediately informed I was already a subscriber to that site! Never visited it before and don't use twitter... me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 and me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Possibly an error in the link I posted as I am a subscriber to the finer thinking of Lawrie Hooper MHK Anyway, should the Lisvane recommendations be discussed on here in detail to give our political reps something to think on? Or should we not bother... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 It might make an interesting thread to pick up the finer points of the revue and any consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Can anyone tell me how I set-up sub-threads on this topic for each of the 11 Lisvane recommendations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 No need for that Donald, just start here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 That would be a terrible mess with comment all over the place Really I'd want our legislators to see that the voting public have given some thought to the issues raised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 That would be a terrible mess with comment all over the place Bah, every silver lining has a cloud... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=34072&headline=Chief Minister%3A I shall not support all Lisvane's suggested reforms for the Manx government§ionIs=news&searchyear=2017 Did someone mention turkeys and Christmas earlier in this thread ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 hour ago, asitis said: http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=34072&headline=Chief Minister%3A I shall not support all Lisvane's suggested reforms for the Manx government§ionIs=news&searchyear=2017 Did someone mention turkeys and Christmas earlier in this thread ! Not exactly this year's biggest political shock. Paragon of the status quo Quayle, a man with no imagination but a firm grasp on self-interest, won't want Tynwald moving in the direction of democracy which is what, despite a number of visible failings, Lisvane does. The cozy inter-relationship between Tynwald and government, entwined in a mutual feast of self-serving gravy consumption, delivers far too much to our political cadre for any forward-looking boat-rocking thank you. Perhaps it's unsurprising that reactionary Quayle knows how to keep his bread buttered but the (apparent) disinterest in parliamentary advancement demonstrated by the newly elected - and seemingly subservient - MHKs is as depressing as it is unsurprising. Let's see who speaks up for reform in the debate. Don't hold your breath. On the theme of the newbies, are Moorhouse, Corlett and Quirk dead? It's the only explanation that seems to fit their current disappearance from society. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannin1 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 This reminds me, my grass definitely needs mowing !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Uhtred said: On the theme of the newbies, are Moorhouse, Corlett and Quirk dead? It's the only explanation that seems to fit their current disappearance from society. Quirk? His disappearance can be explained easily enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 hour ago, La Colombe said: Quirk? His disappearance can be explained easily enough. My apologies - I meant Daphne Caine. And while I'm at it, Bill Shimmins too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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