the stinking enigma Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 maybe, but you will find that those outlets you first listed will put him down with mock outrage at every opportunity and that in general the readers of those things will immediately disregard any other message he tries to convey. which was sort of my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Watching him make a speech in London the other day his avid audience seemed to consist of some ageing hippie types, a group with "nulear power - no thanks" tee shirts, some with Socialist Worker placards that said "We are the 99%" (99% what? one wonders) etc, assorted muslims and a woman with green hair. He was going on about race hate. What does this man have to say to the traditional and disaffected Labour masses in the provinces? Until Labour work that one out, they might as well stay in bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillshepherd Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 I like Watson too, although Hilary Benn would be my choice if he wanted the job. He's ruled himself out though. Not sure about Angela Eagle; she looks a bit like Charlie Drake don't you think.....? i think you could be right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 i think corbyn is hanging on in there just long enough to include chilcott in his resignation speech. if so, fair play to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 lets hope she is as proud to talk about her links to jersey as jersey is to talk about their links to her http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2016/07/06/candidate-for-prime-minister-has-links-to-channel-islands/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTaxPayer Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Going, going..... Gove.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Leadsom to quit Tory Race. What the heck is happening in the world at the moment. Has our instant media culture created such an atmosphere that people are undermined before even the first hurdle and hence don't have the courage of their convictions to actually follow through? Farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Leadsom to quit Tory Race. What the heck is happening in the world at the moment. Has our instant media culture created such an atmosphere that people are undermined before even the first hurdle and hence don't have the courage of their convictions to actually follow through? Farce. Her opponents in the Tory Party made the most of quite a minor gaff. Tory's are much more brutal than Labour. It's like the end of Romeo and Juliet in their camp. Labour have been procrastinating for weeks because they'd really, really, prefer Corbyn to go quietly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I hope Corbyn stays , those who voted him in should be given the opportunity to vote him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Part of me thinks that they should leave Corbyn in position and let the left take a real beating at the next election, whenever it's called. Labour will lose the next election anyway and the left haven't learnt the lesson of the 1980's. An absolute pasting at the ballot box is perhaps the only lesson they'll understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Part of me thinks that they should leave Corbyn in position and let the left take a real beating at the next election, whenever it's called. Labour will lose the next election anyway and the left haven't learnt the lesson of the 1980's. An absolute pasting at the ballot box is perhaps the only lesson they'll understand. When that happens they just tell themselves that the problem is they are not left wing enough. That's how they got to where they are now after the last election with Corbyn making Miliband look like Genghis Khan. They can't bring themselves to accept that the left wing constituency in the UK is far smaller than they have led themselves to believe in their focus groups and on social media. Many working people and even those living on benefits don't share a lot of the liberal left policies espoused by the Corbynistas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 You're right there Woolley. If Corbyn leads them into the next election and they get hammered, he'll be accused of betrayal and selling out by a new group of true believers in the 'real' left movement, taking Labour further down the rabbit hole of their ideological faith. It's the fate of all hard left movements, from the French Revolution to Stalinism and beyond; the revolution eats itself and it always ends in madness and recrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 But Labour is not a hard left movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Ouch https://twitter.com/conor_mcnally/status/752468677950337024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 But Labour is not a hard left movement. That's the problem! It isn't left wing enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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