Chinahand Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 On 9/24/2018 at 8:22 PM, Chinahand said: PK will be along in a minute to sing [the Grauniad’s] praises. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 54 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Hmmm, that's a bit naive. Excuse me but the Grauniad is head and shoulders above all the rubbish that makes up todays MSM of the UK. So they printed up what was probably a load of old uncheckable bs. So effin' what. The reaction of Murray was well OTT. Toys well out of pram. But then, who cares what Craig Murray thinks or does? Besides Craig Murray that is..... I like the Grauniad because it's middle ground and is not slavishly in thrall to the agenda of the owner, unlike the rest of the bottom feeders. So I find this particular non-story somewhat amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I read the Guardian too, but to suggest it doesn't have an agenda is frankly bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 33 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: I read the Guardian too, but to suggest it doesn't have an agenda is frankly bizarre. Care to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 53 minutes ago, P.K. said: Excuse me but the Grauniad is head and shoulders above all the rubbish that makes up todays MSM of the UK. Opinion, not fact. Just so you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Just now, quilp said: Opinion, not fact. Just so you know... Oh the irony from the purveyor of "facts" from a grubby bunch of lobbyists touting to the highest bidder. Laughable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 What does that even mean? You are quite mad, Corporal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Just now, quilp said: What does that even mean? You are quite mad, Corporal... You know very well what I'm referring to. I even posted it up in the favoured green crayon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizo Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 On 9/26/2018 at 4:16 PM, P.K. said: . I like the Grauniad because it's middle ground and is not slavishly in thrall to the agenda of the owner, unlike the rest of the bottom feeders. So I find this particular non-story somewhat amusing. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. you honestly believe that. Have you ever read an article in that paper? Would love you to find just one article which is centre right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Gizo said: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. you honestly believe that. Have you ever read an article in that paper? Would love you to find just one article which is centre right. With the complete and utter clusterfuck that is the tory party and their brexit so-called negotiations I wouldn't want to see anything even remotely "right" atm! If we crash out of the EU everything we export will attract the highest tariffs with increases of up to 30% which will hit UK manufacturing and agriculture really hard. However we will be able to reduce tariffs on imports which will hit UK manufacturing and agriculture really hard. So Gizo, why don't you explain why most of the UK MSM aren't shouting these salient facts from the rooftops...? Go on. Off you go. I can't wait to hear this.... Hmmm could be the perfect double-edged sword....... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/26/uk-appoints-food-supplies-minister-amid-fears-of-no-deal-brexit?CMP=share_btn_tw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Yet more of the same boorish, condescending and platitudinal prolixity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 39 minutes ago, quilp said: Yet more of the same boorish, condescending and platitudinal prolixity... You’ve been reading the Torygraph or listening to Chris Thomas, again, could be either with those adjectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Gizo said: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. you honestly believe that. Have you ever read an article in that paper? Would love you to find just one article which is centre right. You have to compare its content with a couple of things. 1. The extreme right wing bias of the rest of the UK MSM 2. The international concsensus of left/right/middle, especially the European Social Democratic traditions. There are a few conclusions you can draw. First, the Guardian is middle ground, second, the hysteria about Corbyn being extreme left is so untrue. His policies aren’t half as radical as Atlee, and most of the things he, and labour, are proposing are accepted middle ground in the rest of Europe, accepted by Centre left and right, and part of the common social fabric. Thatcher pushed the tories so far right, to create clear blue water and monetarism, that Blair shifted labour into the middle right to cover a wide spectrum. It’s now moving back to its natural social democratic base, but the tories are flirting with even more extreme right to try and compete with Farage. That’s why we end up with the swivel eyed loonies like Rees Mogg, Gove, Byrne, Fox, Fisch, et al even being elected and given a platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 1 hour ago, quilp said: Yet more of the same boorish, condescending and platitudinal prolixity... Why don't you try actually making a contribution? You never know, you might find it makes for a refreshing change.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 1 hour ago, John Wright said: You have to compare its content with a couple of things. 1. The extreme right wing bias of the rest of the UK MSM 2. The international concsensus of left/right/middle, especially the European Social Democratic traditions. There are a few conclusions you can draw. First, the Guardian is middle ground, second, the hysteria about Corbyn being extreme left is so untrue. His policies aren’t half as radical as Atlee, and most of the things he, and labour, are proposing are accepted middle ground in the rest of Europe, accepted by Centre left and right, and part of the common social fabric. Thatcher pushed the tories so far right, to create clear blue water and monetarism, that Blair shifted labour into the middle right to cover a wide spectrum. It’s now moving back to its natural social democratic base, but the tories are flirting with even more extreme right to try and compete with Farage. That’s why we end up with the swivel eyed loonies like Rees Mogg, Gove, Byrne, Fox, Fisch, et al even being elected and given a platform. Not forgetting of course, human nature being what it is, that the more right-wing you are the more you will think papers like The Grauniad are left-wing and the dear old BBC very much so. Even though the Beeb seems to have been emasculated somewhat for daring to suggest that Brexit is a crock of shit. As a Liberal I would put The Grauniad very central and not exactly leaning to the left but rather walking with a slightly left tilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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