Max Power Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I love Cretney's comments on how the TT was failing when it was brought in house before a new young team was brought in to rescue it. His department invested nothing, no time or marketing, modern equipment, funding for the operator. Then suddenly from 2007 onwards, money was no object! How the turnip head does spin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 If any court proceedings are heard on the Isle of Man then Vision 9 have no chance. They'd have to get a Manx advocate for a start. Look what happened to the MEA illegal loans er, peccadillo. So IoMGov, get the usual firm of advocates in, let the deemster boys do their work behind the scenes - job done nicely. Vision 9, "done like a kipper". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 If any court proceedings are heard on the Isle of Man then Vision 9 have no chance. They'd have to get a Manx advocate for a start. Look what happened to the MEA illegal loans er, peccadillo. So IoMGov, get the usual firm of advocates in, let the deemster boys do their work behind the scenes - job done nicely. Vision 9, "done like a kipper". You forgot to mention the old Manx issues - conflict of interest and bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 So from Robertshaws comments in the Keys, it seems to be that objections from other government departments are the problem. Seems odd given that the ministers of these other departments all voted in favour of the arrangement in Tynwald. Perhaps it is unfair to put all the blame for this on Skelly/DED. It is unfair to put the blame on anyone until all the facts are known.Well by that reckoning, nobody will take the blame as they are hiding behind sub-judicie. Before long commercial confidentiality will be mentioned. Let's face it, IOMG and COMIN and Tynpotwald are incapable of telling the truth. If push comes to shove they will cover for themselves and their reputations. The newbies sadly will watch the older MHKs behaviour and become accustomed to it, they will think it's acceptable to mislead the Manx public. I'm sorry if people think I'm being harsh - These idiots have got away with things for too long, hiding behind bullshit instead of manning up and saying 'I've screwed up, for the good of island I resign, and I won't contest the next general election'............ cowards! That is not what I said. The matter is not sub judice as no proceedings have commenced, although neither party would be well advised to discuss the matter in public. We don't know what happened, it looks a mess but we don't know whose mess. We can all have an opinion, but unless you know all the facts how can you decide what happened and who is to blame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 The CEO of V9 stated that it should serve as a warning to any firms wishing to do business with the Isle of Man. That's pretty serious. The bill for entertainment is rising. What about tinycowgate, amongst others, how much is that going to cost us? Monkey's in charge of the zoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsnight Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 http://www.tynwald.org.im/business/committee/eprc/Pages/default.aspx Mr M R Coleman MLC. Committee Chair Mr T Baker MHK. Committee Member Mr J Moorhouse MHK. Committee Member Howard Quayle said the issue was being referred to Tynwald’s economic policy review chairman, Michael Coleman MLC.Read more at: http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/chief-minister-s-statement-about-vision-nine-collapse-1-8264347 Howard Quayle said the issue was being referred to Tynwald’s economic policy review chairman, Michael Coleman MLC.Read more at: http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/chief-minister-s-statement-about-vision-nine-collapse-1-8264347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Bean Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Whatever way you try and gloss this over, or shall I say the Government try and gloss this over, it is an absolute fucking shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsnight Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Whatever way you try and gloss this over, or shall I say the Government try and gloss this over, it is an absolute fucking shambles. I can say confidently, that I have no intention of glossing over this or any other matter to do with the IOM Government. It is my conviction that at its core the systems of Government in the IOM are putrid and long overdue for total exposure and then reform. It is my opinion that the IOM Government and the members of the Tynwald are for the best part incapable of policing their own conduct and it requires outside intervention to achieve it, and soon. As for "shambles" I think you have seen nothing yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Quilp, ''The CEO of V9 stated that it should serve as a warning to any firms wishing to do business with the Isle of Man.'' That's a rather strong opinion to issue BEFORE the final notice from the DED. Rather points to their knowing that it was pear shaped? Did they know long ago? Were they just hanging on in the vain hope? Would such a statement endear them to the IOman govt? A rather unprofessional response to an unprofessional handling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Quilp, ''The CEO of V9 stated that it should serve as a warning to any firms wishing to do business with the Isle of Man.'' That's a rather strong opinion to issue BEFORE the final notice from the DED. Rather points to their knowing that it was pear shaped? Did they know long ago? Were they just hanging on in the vain hope? Would such a statement endear them to the IOman govt? A rather unprofessional response to an unprofessional handling? I don't know what the answer is but he sounds pretty much pissed-off with iomgov plc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Matter referred to Michael Coleman's Economic Review Committee. We're all saved then. I wonder if he can cut the mustard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Quilp, ''The CEO of V9 stated that it should serve as a warning to any firms wishing to do business with the Isle of Man.'' That's a rather strong opinion to issue BEFORE the final notice from the DED. Rather points to their knowing that it was pear shaped? Did they know long ago? Were they just hanging on in the vain hope? Would such a statement endear them to the IOman govt? A rather unprofessional response to an unprofessional handling? I don't know what the answer is but he sounds pretty much pissed-off with iomgov plc. In all honesty wouldn't you be pissed off with IOM Government plc? I would imagine he has been fed bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Just adding a couple of noughts to the future gagging settlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Remember kids, countries aren't plc's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Strada Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 there was an urgent motion in the house of keys in the folloẃing words: That in light of the current extremely negative and confused publicity surrounding the collapse of the proposed Vision Nine contract with the Department of Economic Development, in particular the recent comments made by Julian Topham of Vision Nine on MTTV, and the damage that this is doing to the image of the Isle of Man Government, the Chief Minister should, as a matter of utmost urgency, explain the Government's position. there were four members stood to allow the urgent motion to be ĉonsidered and then a vôte whether the motion ßhould be heard, which the house agreed: FOR Mr Baker Mrs Beecroft Mr Boot Mrs Caine Mr Cannan Mr Malarkey Miss Bettison Mr Moorhouse Mr Peake Mr Quayle Mr Robertshaw Mr Thomas AGAINST Mr Ashford Mr Callister Mr Cregeen Dr Allinson Mr Harmer Mr Hooper Ms Edge Mr Perkins Mr Shimmins Mr Skelly The Speaker abstained mr robertshaw then spoke to his motion, the chief miñister duly replied. no one else wanted to speak. so that, surely, was that (?) then, for reasons i'm not sure about, there was another vote for the motion and this time the voting was differeñt: FOR Mr Baker Mrs Beecroft Mr Malarkey Miss Bettison Mr Peake Mr Robertshaw AGAINST Mr Ashford Mr Boot Mrs Caine Mr Callister Mr Cannan Mr Cregeen Dr Allinson Mr Harmer Mr Hooper Mr Moorhouse Ms Edge Mr Perkins Mr Quayle Mr Shimmins Mr Skelly Mr Thomas i'm not sure why or what people were voting for the seĉond time, or what they were voting against. and why didn't anyone else speak if they weren't happy, (although the motion only asked for a statement from the cm, which he gave) can anyone ĉlarify this? the hansard is here: http://www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard/20002020/k161129%20RHB.pdf#page=5 the audio is here: http://www.tynwald.org.im/business/listen/AgainFiles/0210a.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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