woody2 Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Gladys said: I was a little bemused by that too, but not all people pay tax. Bit of an odd distinction really. everyone pays some form of tax.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 Yes, good points. So what was the distinction he was making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: Yes, good points. So what was the distinction he was making? I wonder if he was trying to make the point that it's becoming more of a business....in the eyes of DED, keen to milk it for everything it's worth, to include the odd 5%s...and less of a sentiment/tradition type thing, which most TT fans see it as....their sport, their event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 Well it certainly is a business. Quite big business really. Who was Mr. 5 % then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 it was good to see some proper road racing on itv4 last night..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Actually practically everyone is a taxpayer. Every child buying sweets is paying VAT. There's all sorts of other duties, NI and so on. There seems to be this odd English attitude[1] that only Income Tax is 'proper tax', entitling those who pay it to some sort of special privilege. But it's all money in the end, so it's an even odder distinction really. [1] Promoted by their newspapers, the owners of which famously tend not to pay tax to the UK. Even the Guardian which is fond of running campaigns against others who are economical with their tax contributions. VAT is difficult to escape of course, but income tax is largely voluntary for the extremely wealthy. It all depends how good your accountant is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 On 05/05/2017 at 0:31 PM, gettafa said: The Hansard officer in charge insisted that Hansard has a reputation to uphold and the transcript is verbatim. Verbatim (give or take the occasional hummph, cough, splutter etc). Whether the words be poorly chosen or not and by whom is entitely irrelevant. The words were said. In Tynwald. They go in Hansard. That is the point. Obviously This is the important point. Verbatim means what it says. If you start making exceptions to cover embarrassment or for political correctness, it is not a giant leap to the slippery slope of doing so for other "public interest" purposes. You can make a case for the suppression of all kinds of information for "public interest" reasons, but it's a subjective judgement that nobody has the right to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 If they were willing to edit out a sort of racist gaffe by a buffoon, which whilst a bit embarrassing for all concerned, wasn't particularly that serious. It doesn't really fill me with confidence that they wouldn't do the same for more serious things. In fact quite the opposite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 Pretty simple and cheap answer is to have the live recording there so you can match it up against it. *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hboy Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Non-Believer said: I wonder if he was trying to make the point that it's becoming more of a business....in the eyes of DED, keen to milk it for everything it's worth, to include the odd 5%s...and less of a sentiment/tradition type thing, which most TT fans see it as....their sport, their event? I wonder what those who give their time free at a grass roots level year after year to make the event happen thought of his comments? It's clear that 'they' are only interested in growing the event to keep 'them' in jobs. I can't imagine anything worse than and event that now basically seems to be run by civil servants who view it as a means of employing more civil servants as it grows. Time to kill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 5 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: His whole evidence consisted of he knows best and everyone else is wrong. Don't you just hate people like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 2 hours ago, hboy said: I wonder what those who give their time free at a grass roots level year after year to make the event happen thought of his comments? It's clear that 'they' are only interested in growing the event to keep 'them' in jobs. I can't imagine anything worse than and event that now basically seems to be run by civil servants who view it as a means of employing more civil servants as it grows. Time to kill it. Totally agree. One thing that isn't mentioned is the sacrifice that homeowners or residents make who live inside the course. The businesses inside the course who lose money by having to close - Snugborough Trading Estate etc. The civil servants seem to view other 'stakeholders' as either an irrelevance or a hindrance. Certain posters will view them with contempt and agree with the DED view. Generally speaking without a lot of goodwill from the islanders the event of TT/FOM wouldn't be as successful as it is. 1 hour ago, woolley said: Don't you just hate people like that? There are some posters on here who have a know it all attitude, regard other posters as idiots and think they know best. I can only assume they must treat people like dirt, and they are a lousy manager at work. I quite like reading a multitude of opinions on here, it's a bit like brainstorming sometimes out of the crap comes a logical and brilliant suggestion or analysis of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 1 hour ago, woolley said: Don't you just hate people like that? Have we just discovered that he is a regular poster on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Max Power said: Have we just discovered that he is a regular poster on here? NONSENSE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hboy Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 15 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: NONSENSE! Watch it. You're embarrassing yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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