Albert Tatlock Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Most often you don't know what gun someone is firing at you till you get hold of it afterwards. If in doubt, take them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 FFS it was a .22 auto not a fucking .44 magnum this muppet was carrying. Not quite sure what point you're making here. A .22 can't kill? If so, you're wrong. Dead wrong If someone was shooting at me at close range, no matter what the calibre, and I had the means to stop them, I'm pretty sure I would use it and I bet you would too. Ed: I think most people would hate the idea of our coppers being armed as they are in most countries, but the time has come unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Get the borders up. Arm the cops. Hysterical over reactions are all so predictable really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 And thats what worries me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 People pretending all is well to enable them to accuse anyone not agreeing of being hysterical worries me. What would you have done if you'd had been this Italian copper stinky? Talked to him nicely? Reasoned with him? Talked him down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Why do they never catch these people alive? Surely a shot to the leg would have done the job, imagine the mass of intelligence they could get from a few water boarding sessions. Can we look forward to another traditional Muslim burial at sea? There's only one reason to use a gun. It isn't to injure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 People pretending all is well to enable them to accuse anyone not agreeing of being hysterical worries me. What would you have done if you'd had been this Italian copper stinky? Talked to him nicely? Reasoned with him? Talked him down? if i had a gun i would have shot him. if i had a taser i would have tasered him. arming our cops would result in more deaths of innocent civilians than isis could ever muster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Maybe but I doubt it. Leaving aside the USA, coppers very rarely shoot civilians in the rest of the world where the police are armed in attempt to stop crime. It's easy to focus on isis and limit thinking to that problem in such discussions. However we would be deluded if we didn't admit that they weren't the only criminals out there who wouldn't think twice about killing the police. We are very lucky to live where we do which makes it much easier to dismiss this issue as hysterical over reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Whelp, stinky would be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 i could take six rounds from a .22 no problem tarne. even you could probably survive two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Get the borders up. Arm the cops. Hysterical over reactions are all so predictable really. They are predictable because they are necessary, rational responses and not hysterical over reaction. Unfortunate, of course, because not routinely carrying firearms reduces the chance of more Jean Charles de Menezes type tragedies but times have changed. Terrorism across Europe isn't going to go away, and the UK is a major target. BB's point was compelling. An ordinary British police officer, confronted with an armed terrorist who pulled out a gun and began firing, would have few options available. Fortunately, the Italian officers were able to respond and incapacitate Anis Amri before he could kill them. My understanding is that police officers are trained to aim at the centre of the chest, as it is the largest target and is likely to be incapacitating. Most countries view a routinely armed police force as necessary. UK, Ireland, Norway and Iceland are (I think) alone in Europe in not doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 i take what you say about police forces other than the US being a bit more responsible about where and when they discharge their firearms bb and also was not meaning it as a complete diss of the our police, but if they arm up, then criminals that prior to that wouldn't have armed up may also feel they have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 People pretending all is well to enable them to accuse anyone not agreeing of being hysterical worries me. What would you have done if you'd had been this Italian copper stinky? Talked to him nicely? Reasoned with him? Talked him down? if i had a gun i would have shot him. if i had a taser i would have tasered him. arming our cops would result in more deaths of innocent civilians than isis could ever muster It would not, and I think you would have a tough time arguing that in Europe. edit to add: Unless you completely ignore the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 but our culture is american guzzi. not european Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 but our culture is american guzzi. not european Really? I don't agree, but anyway that is irrelevant. You said that arming the police would result in the deaths of more innocent civilians than ISIS could ever muster. That is patently untrue, as ISIS have inflicted mass casualties within the last year in France, Belgium and Germany, all of whom I believe have been innocent civilians. I'm not sure how many innocent people European police forces have shot, but clearly, it will be a tiny figure in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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