the stinking enigma Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 i dont see it as any worse than online gambling companies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 On 5/8/2019 at 9:52 PM, Rushen Spy said: I find it hilarious to read comments on Facebook from people saying "so what?" and that it's not harming anyone. Are these people dumb or something? The whole prosperity gospel theology is actually very psychologically harmful, is exploitative, especially to vulnerable people. Do you have any examples of Living Hope psychologically harming folks on the island, especially vulnerable people? As far as I'm concerned it's their money so they can spend it on anything they like within reason. It's their business and nothing to do with anyone else. As has been pointed out faith, which is belief minus evidence, is hardwired into our psyche. Apparently this means it is almost certainly a survival strategy. So does this mean the more faith you have the more likely you are to thrive? History tells us this is true. The more faith you have the more likely you are to be able to eat for free.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, hissingsid said: I do not see the problem with this, this organisation gets voluntary contributions from the people belonging to it, no public money is involved, what has it got to do with anyone else ? All religions rely on donations to survive, what has that to with anyone else. People who are members of golf clubs pay club fees which are used to pay individuals, again nothing to do with anyone else. Why do people not just mind their own business and get on with their own affairs. If a member of any organisation disputes where money is going that is fair play, but if you are not concerned with them keep your beak out and get a life. It’s a bit like paying a subscription for religious porn I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 11 hours ago, hissingsid said: I do not see the problem with this, this organisation gets voluntary contributions from the people belonging to it, no public money is involved, what has it got to do with anyone else ? All religions rely on donations to survive, what has that to with anyone else. People who are members of golf clubs pay club fees which are used to pay individuals, again nothing to do with anyone else. Why do people not just mind their own business and get on with their own affairs. If a member of any organisation disputes where money is going that is fair play, but if you are not concerned with them keep your beak out and get a life. Wouldn't disagree violently with that ( not a member of any religious organisation myself ) do you think that these organisations should be allowed to have the benefits of being a 'charity' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, paswt said: Wouldn't disagree violently with that ( not a member of any religious organisation myself ) do you think that these organisations should be allowed to have the benefits of being a 'charity' ? No they’re businesses pure and simple. They should not get any additional tax breaks for pretending to be a religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Maybe it's me, which these days is more than possible, but the item on the IOM Today web site has been suddenly kicked into the very long grass. I would have thought that because of the obvious concern being shown such a thing might indicate interference from some outside source. Not that such underhanded censorship could happen on The Island ----- oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 11 hours ago, P.K. said: Do you have any examples of Living Hope psychologically harming folks on the island, especially vulnerable people? As far as I'm concerned it's their money so they can spend it on anything they like within reason. It's their business and nothing to do with anyone else. As has been pointed out faith, which is belief minus evidence, is hardwired into our psyche. Apparently this means it is almost certainly a survival strategy. So does this mean the more faith you have the more likely you are to thrive? History tells us this is true. The more faith you have the more likely you are to be able to eat for free.... Maybe have a look at some of their happy clappy videos and then ask yourself if those younger people have not been brainwashed, conned or hoodwinked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heffalump Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 12 hours ago, P.K. said: Do you have any examples of Living Hope psychologically harming folks on the island, especially vulnerable people This is well documented in this and previous threads. To give a flavour: 1. Mr stanfield cajoled the Louis group opened their building and enjoyed trips at the benefit of mr lakos, who is one of the directors banned from serving as a director by the FSC along of course with current pastor Rousseau moss also banned. I’m sure those that contributed to Louis group under the favour of living hope certainly feel aggrieved. 2. I know personally of people who attended the church in the past and dared to question the methods adopted by the leadership in never ending world wide mission trips and free gratis benefits like rent being paid whilst trying to find a house while selling their own, and all at the expense of the flock. Their questioning was met with pure venom and they were named as slanderers and where blackballed by not only the leadership but also by other members and set up as an example of how control meant no questioning was allowed. The leadership know best. They have been greatly disturbed by the hurtful ness of the experience and in many cases never went near another church, never mind the fact that in some cases the leadership would actually have born false witness to other leaders in other churches about the members behaviour. To give a flavour of this doctrine check out chris staples latest blog.https://www.four12global.com/authors/chrisstaples/dont-do-the-devils-work-for-him/ 3. The “house” nothing more needs said. 4. The secretive nature of their control now. People leave and are scared to speak up as the teaching in the church is that in speaking out against the “work” you are doing the devils work. 5. How they moved from being a satellite church of broadway baptist to getting broadway trustees to disassociate themselves from control of port st Mary church so mr stanfield could take control of all finances through his chosen directors many of whom are the pastors, deciding things like wages etc. 6. The desire to distance themselves from any other church on the island and whilst they cunningly would negate this by saying they are in various bodies that work together the reality is they see themselves as the only real church that has it right. See what happened in the schools. Many years of great work by scripture union and other church charities were nearly done away with due to people’s reluctance to have any living hope people about the place. Just a taste of many worrying things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Rog said: Maybe it's me, which these days is more than possible, but the item on the IOM Today web site has been suddenly kicked into the very long grass. I would have thought that because of the obvious concern being shown such a thing might indicate interference from some outside source. Not that such underhanded censorship could happen on The Island ----- oh wait. Er, no it hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Err, read what I wrote. I didn't write had been removed, I wrote kicked into the long grass. Two different things entirely. 28 minutes ago, Augustus said: Er, no it hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 There are a lot of charities that are going to have to up their game and convince whoever is sorting out the new charity proposals that there main aim is to raise money for a worthwhile cause, hitting on one is perhaps unfair. If anyone is concerned about young people being influenced by them I suggest they look at any video of any concert put on by the rock bands and you will see far more young people jumping around and head banging. I remember the sixties......Rolling Stones, Beatles, etc we used to go frantic but it did us no harm, and at the end of the day ...it is their choice, would you rather see them roaring drunk or taking drugs ????? Everyone should be allowed to do their own thing, tolerance is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 15 hours ago, hissingsid said: All religions rely on donations to survive, what has that to with anyone else. People who are members of golf clubs pay club fees which are used to pay individuals, again nothing to do with anyone else. Why do people not just mind their own business and get on with their own affairs. What an incredibly stupid comment - the Golf club I used to be a member of never belligerently promised me an afterlife if I kept up a membership or that I'd burn forever if I didn't, there was some bigoted individuals but they never brainwashed me against homosexuality or abortion. A donation should be just that and nothing promised or expected in return - let alone eternal life....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieBrown Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said: What an incredibly stupid comment - the Golf club I used to be a member of never belligerently promised me an afterlife if I kept up a membership or that I'd burn forever if I didn't, there was some bigoted individuals but they never brainwashed me against homosexuality or abortion. A donation should be just that and nothing promised or expected in return - let alone eternal life....... But they did convince you wearing pringle was 'cool'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 39 minutes ago, Rog said: Err, read what I wrote. I didn't write had been removed, I wrote kicked into the long grass. Two different things entirely. Who knows what you mean by kicked into the long grass, dickhead. The link is on the IOM Newspapers website for any half-capable moron to access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 The expression is very well known even amongst the scarcely literate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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