the stinking enigma Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 while some just need love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauder Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 while some just need love And a CT scan in equal measure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 There was some event on down the Palace Hotel last night for Living Hope. Recruitment drive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fliugh Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Wonder what what the connection is between pastor Stanfield and the Louis Group..... Anyone know? There obviously is a connection because Stanfield is pictured in a photo with the Louis Group directors at the Louis Group launch event - pg 7 of last week's independent. Did Louis Group buy JS a new house, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j2bad Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Wonder what what the connection is between pastor Stanfield and the Louis Group..... Anyone know? There obviously is a connection because Stanfield is pictured in a photo with the Louis Group directors at the Louis Group launch event - pg 7 of last week's independent. Did Louis Group buy JS a new house, too? Given that three of the Louis Group directors are his close friends and run the church with him and they were keen to push the 'Christian Values' of the Louis Group it follows they would get their Pastor to bless the new offices. The way this 'church' is set up and run just looks dodgy, how many churches or charities have a Corporate Service Provider as their registered office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellefield Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 There was an interesting sermon from Mr Moss following questions over the "miraculous" payments towards Mr Stanfield new property. http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/pastor-disqualified-as-director-1-8333078 "Mr Moss subsequently gave a sermon on ‘integrity’. He told the Port St Mary congregation: ‘People are calling into question the integrity of the body of Christ and the leaders within the church. We can’t let the world around us determine our ethics and morality.’ Well it seems like the world around us can determine our ethics and morailty, particularly regulatory bodies like the FSA Rousseau Moss has given an undertaking to the Financial Services Authority not to be a director, secretary or registered agent of any company for five years after admitting being ‘incompetent, negligent and irresponsible’ in connection with his role in the collapsed Louis Group (Isle of Man) Ltd. It seems that despite his involvement in causing the Louis Group to collapse Mr Moss has still not learned his lesson when it comes to ethics or morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heffalump Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Wonder what what the connection is between pastor Stanfield and the Louis Group..... Anyone know? There obviously is a connection because Stanfield is pictured in a photo with the Louis Group directors at the Louis Group launch event - pg 7 of last week's independent. Did Louis Group buy JS a new house, too? Given that three of the Louis Group directors are his close friends and run the church with him and they were keen to push the 'Christian Values' of the Louis Group it follows they would get their Pastor to bless the new offices. The way this 'church' is set up and run just looks dodgy, how many churches or charities have a Corporate Service Provider as their registered office? If you see the CSP you say are the registered office, it would be interesting to see who runs that and maybe even the staff they have? Plus As you say, in the photo, mr stanfield is included in the opening ceremony. Surely there are no donations given to the church that would have been received from this Louis group? I don't know myself, but given the connections past and still present I wouldn't be surprised if there was. The scary thing is "morals and ethics" would beg the reasoning that if anything untoward had happened then surely rather than it being hidden in the hope it's undiscovered, it would be perhaps a good idea for the truth to be shared by those in the know without any more wasting of time in finding out the truth. But, at the end of the day that is their choice I suppose. Nothing untoward or criminal seems to have happened, other than speculation of "dodgy dealings". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j2bad Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 If you see the CSP you say are the registered office, it would be interesting to see who runs that and maybe even the staff they have? I am not 'saying', its on their website http://www.livinghope.im/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=299227 The address listed is that of a CSP called Turnstone, their website is off line at the moment so not much info on who works there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bees Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Crossed wire post edited away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellefield Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Just found this on the gov website https://www.gov.im/lib/docs/iomfsa/PressReleases/lgsfplcinspectorsfinalreport.pdf now the current list of directors being disqualified (according to the IOM newspapers) is; DR Alan Louis, Lynn Keig, John McCauley, Dirk Frederik Mudge, Lukas Nakos (a team leader at the Living Hope church in Douglas) and Andrew Mark Rouse. However amongst the docs in the midst of the above report, a few other names are also mentioned in the court documents (on page 115 of 101), being: Robert Terence Easton, Andrew Peter Henderson Nardone, Helen Elizabeth Edwards, Ian Michael Edward Bancroft, Andrew Bateman, Dirk Mudge. Although there is no indication that these are anything other than interested parties at this stage (unless I've missed it). A lot of names involved with the Living Hope Church there; Lukas Nakos, Mr Moss, Helen Edwards (currently on a sabbatical with her husband), Andrew Rouse. Of the others; Mr Easton appears to be involved in another Christian sect (or cult as it is described here) http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/religious-sect-wants-to-set-up-isle-of-man-base-1-1749874 Mr Bancroft has warned IOM residents to be aware of fraud (bit late for that like)..... http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/residents-warned-about-how-to-stay-safe-from-fraud-scams-1-7979744 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesC Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 When the congregation was asked for money to buy the big house for the pastor, the account that the money was going into was in the names of Nakos and Nelson. Even if there was no wrong-doing going on when they took the money for the house, you'd think they'd know better just from the point of view of how it looks than to put a (soon to be disqualified) former director of a company whose financial dealings were "tainted with illegality" in charge of presumably unrecorded, anonymous donations that were solicited with promises of heavenly afterlife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellefield Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 When the congregation was asked for money to buy the big house for the pastor, the account that the money was going into was in the names of Nakos and Nelson. Even if there was no wrong-doing going on when they took the money for the house, you'd think they'd know better just from the point of view of how it looks than to put a (soon to be disqualified) former director of a company whose financial dealings were "tainted with illegality" in charge of presumably unrecorded, anonymous donations that were solicited with promises of heavenly afterlife. I assume that is Stuart Nelson, church elder and Barclays director who "Heads the Corporate & Intermediary teams in the Isle of Man, and has overall responsibility for clients in Isle of Man"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellefield Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 If you see the CSP you say are the registered office, it would be interesting to see who runs that and maybe even the staff they have? I am not 'saying', its on their website http://www.livinghope.im/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=299227 The address listed is that of a CSP called Turnstone, their website is off line at the moment so not much info on who works there. it was listed in the panama papers as having links with Panama - although as a CSP there is nothing to say that there is anything wrong with that, a lot of them set up structures according to their clients wishes. http://panama.data2www.com/i/11013180 be interesting to know if any of those relate to members of the Living Hope though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j2bad Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Slightly off-topic but I see Andrew Mark Rouse is tasked with building a new church in Douglas, are they still angling to get a free / reduced rate for former Victoria Road prison site? https://www.gov.im/lib/docs/transport/Consultations/recordofresponsesv4withdept.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellefield Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 and Turnstone has a strong SA presence. http://www.bcned.co.uk/downloads/Turnstone.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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