Barrie Stevens Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Once again ports like Invergordon have inherited the earlier investments of others in this case the former Royal Navy anchorage and berths. The cruise ships use the Admiralty Pier...Britain housed massive fleets of ships at Invergordon...Some may have heard of the 1931 naval mutiny in Invergordon... Invergordon also has many interesting laces to visit throughout its hinterland... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Max Power said: I know we have been led down the garden path before, surely lessons have been learned? This in my mind is certainly worth exploring further and while we all have opinions on MF, we must be encouraged by the fact that private investment could be forthcoming? Well we're always told that "lessons have been learned". Repeatedly. But the only lesson that they actually seem to have got in their skulls is that can get away with repeating exactly the same mistakes again and get rewarded for it. Look at how the mess-up over Vision 9 repeated the similar similar mess-up with Signature Sponsorship about five years earlier with all the same faults being repeated. There's no guarantee that we won't see all the disasters of the runway extension repeated in Douglas Harbour with the same people involved. As for 'private investment', if it is so forthcoming, why aren't they submitting their own plans and wanting nothing more than planning permission? You suspect that, like the London Garden Bridge, they will be wanting all sorts of government contributions, guarantees, tax deals and the rest. You only have look at the history of the Liverpool landing stage to get the idea. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Look at how the mess-up over Vision 9 repeated the similar similar mess-up with Signature Sponsorship about five years earlier with all the same faults being repeated. I'm very hopeful that this enquiry could be a landmark in changing the face of how government operates, by the time the rest of the evidence is heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 12 minutes ago, Max Power said: I'm very hopeful that this enquiry could be a landmark in changing the face of how government operates, by the time the rest of the evidence is heard. I wouldn't hold your breath on that one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaStar Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 41 minutes ago, Max Power said: I'm very hopeful that this enquiry could be a landmark in changing the face of how government operates, by the time the rest of the evidence is heard. Ive been hopeful of a lot for things for the last 40'years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Max Power said: I'm very hopeful that this enquiry could be a landmark in changing the face of how government operates, by the time the rest of the evidence is heard. I would like to think that myself. Sadly I think we will get a) SPIN b) BULLSHIT c) LESSONS WILL BE LEARNED and d) ultimately in Tynpotwald when it's being debated, the ayes have it, the ayes have it. I personally can't imagine anyone taking one for the team, or taking any responsibility. If they do, it will involve, either pay off or sideways promotion, definitely not a demotion. It's not in the Manx Government psyche to hold their hands up to admit fault. It's a case of has anyone got the balls to seriously criticise and possibly censure those at fault? Then it's down to Tynpotwald to debate and take the matter further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Every enquiry I can recall over the past twenty or so years has ended with a large serving of "lessons will be learned" topped with a crust of " we move forward " sprinkled liberally with "commercial confidentiality" ! Maybe save the money on any enquiry and just publish the result ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) Dependability report out early next month (July) so that will us a update and guide as to mindset I feel...however I'm optimistic on this one ! Edited June 30, 2017 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 22 hours ago, MediaStar said: You get to an age where you get cynical on the basis that everytime these sort have schemes have been touted in the last 40 years the private investment mentioned at the start usually fails to materialize. Other ports haven't needed to make the investment that is required here to make it work so it's a nice add on. You're not investing £10-20m on the back of a shaky business case. As I said above due to the offshore oil industry Shetland and Orkney already have deep ports that will take cruisliners as they're already large commercial ports making millions off the oil industry activity. If you get a few cruise liners on top great as it's not costing you much to accommodate them (even if they spend nothing). Our business case is very different. Orkney started from scratch, and had to build piers for these vessels to berth alongside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 21 hours ago, Barrie Stevens said: Once again ports like Invergordon have inherited the earlier investments of others in this case the former Royal Navy anchorage and berths. The cruise ships use the Admiralty Pier...Britain housed massive fleets of ships at Invergordon...Some may have heard of the 1931 naval mutiny in Invergordon... Invergordon also has many interesting laces to visit throughout its hinterland... does it? the underground oil tanks which are cathedral size used to be worth a visit but are now sealed shut.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 19 hours ago, woody2 said: does it? the underground oil tanks which are cathedral size used to be worth a visit but are now sealed shut.... I said "hinterland"....Go look it up...It means more than the "environs" of the port/harbour...There are many websites about Invergordon and its area... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 On 29/06/2017 at 2:42 PM, Barrie Stevens said: Once again ports like Invergordon have inherited the earlier investments of others in this case the former Royal Navy anchorage and berths. The cruise ships use the Admiralty Pier...Britain housed massive fleets of ships at Invergordon...Some may have heard of the 1931 naval mutiny in Invergordon... Invergordon also has many interesting laces to visit throughout its hinterland... Must be a "shoe-in" for a good tour then. , or are they all just heavily into needlework. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 BBC1, 7.30 this evening. "How Orkney copes with the onslaught of thousands of cruise ships' visitors annually". Could be interesting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Today’s Sunday Opinion devoted yet again......... yawn, to this subject. Usually Bullshit being bandied around, except the cost has now increased to over £40 million. Government has spent more yet money on external consultants. I can see those Tynpotwald idiots actually voting for this, except the costs will probably balloon to over £60 million plus. Whether the cruise tourists actually spend anything to recoup the taxpayers costs, it’s extremely doubtful and unlikely. ETA - Skelly on the Government Mouthpiece extolling benefits and bullshiting abound. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Fugit Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 get rid of these snake-oil salesmen, and definitely keep Skelly out of it. Saw recently that Oxford are planning to restrict walking tours in the city because they just clog up the streets 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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