mojomonkey Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesia's_Unilateral_Declaration_of_Independence BORIS speaks in terms of a declaration of independence. Some want it. Others oppose. I recall the last time a PM did that when not all the country agreed. It ended in a mess and then Mugabe. Naturally I was in the House of Commons that day Even then I was aware of being in the presence of history as it were...It was an educational school trip. So far these high flown declarations have caused trouble galore. ie American declaration, Irish 1916, Rhodesia and now Boris thinks he is Thomas Jefferson..... I like to think that Barry was at every major historical event, ever, in the entire history of mankind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Wow, Woody referencing The Guardian, we are living in strange times. i didn't read or click on them.......i would need a tetanus injection........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: I wasn't aware that you manufactured anything, rather that you provided a service. I thought you were a sound and vision events type person (no idea what that is called in the trade)? I work for a manufacturing company based in the EU, exports to other EU countries do not need any paperwork (unless you count the standard delivery note that accompanies all deliveries). The export of goods with a value over 1000€ to non EU countries require a minimum of signed and stamped declarations of origin cerificates (which can be combined with the delivery note) and the documentation showing an MRN (Movement Reference Number) from Customs. To get an MRN you have to enter the order details (weights, value, origins, customs numbers, etc.) into the Customs system and wait for their clearance. Exports to some countries require even more documentation (certificates of origin signed by the chamber of commerce) and some even require clearance against being a dual use item (generally something that could be used for other purposes, normally weapon related). i know how it works clearly you don't..... and the ni doc is a exit summary declaration (the same as any other uk port with this deal) not a regular customs declaration...... another non-story...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, woody2 said: i know how it works clearly you don't..... and the ni doc is a exit summary declaration (the same as any other uk port with this deal) not a regular customs declaration...... another non-story...... If I don't understand it then UPS, DHL, TNT and various haulage firms must not understand it either, because from the beginning of this week and until further notice they will not take any deliveries to the UK without full customs clearance and completed paperwork. Maybe it is just different for moving mobile discos across borders. At the moment no customs paperwork is required for goods moving from any EU member country to the UK. Even if no specific additional declaration is required to move goods imported from the EU into Northern Ireland and then onwards into England, Wales or Scotland, it will still be necessary for customs declarations to get them into Northern Ireland in the first place. That is an additional level of paperwork that did not previously exist, which I do not see as being the end of the world but it is different to what you claim ("having to print more of the same documents that you need now"). Goods exported from the UK to the EU will require customs declarations, something that is not necessary at the moment, so again that will be different to what you claim. I don't see any of that a problem or a sticking point, but to say that there will be no additional paperwork is naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 40 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: I wasn't aware that you manufactured anything, rather that you provided a service. I thought you were a sound and vision events type person (no idea what that is called in the trade)? I work for a manufacturing company based in the EU, exports to other EU countries do not need any paperwork (unless you count the standard delivery note that accompanies all deliveries). The export of goods with a value over 1000€ to non EU countries require a minimum of signed and stamped declarations of origin cerificates (which can be combined with the delivery note) and the documentation showing an MRN (Movement Reference Number) from Customs. To get an MRN you have to enter the order details (weights, value, origins, customs numbers, etc.) into the Customs system and wait for their clearance. Exports to some countries require even more documentation (certificates of origin signed by the chamber of commerce) and some even require clearance against being a dual use item (generally something that could be used for other purposes, normally weapon related). So paperwork then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Neil Down said: So paperwork then... Yes, it can also require visits to the chamber of commerce to get things signed and stamped. All costs time and money. Export and imports between EU countries doesn't require any of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: If I don't understand it then UPS, DHL, TNT and various haulage firms must not understand it either, because from the beginning of this week and until further notice they will not take any deliveries to the UK without full customs clearance and completed paperwork. Maybe it is just different for moving mobile discos across borders. At the moment no customs paperwork is required for goods moving from any EU member country to the UK. Even if no specific additional declaration is required to move goods imported from the EU into Northern Ireland and then onwards into England, Wales or Scotland, it will still be necessary for customs declarations to get them into Northern Ireland in the first place. That is an additional level of paperwork that did not previously exist, which I do not see as being the end of the world but it is different to what you claim ("having to print more of the same documents that you need now"). Goods exported from the UK to the EU will require customs declarations, something that is not necessary at the moment, so again that will be different to what you claim. I don't see any of that a problem or a sticking point, but to say that there will be no additional paperwork is naive. have you ever taken a truck or 7 across the eu or are you just a armchair troll....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Yes, it can also require visits to the chamber of commerce to get things signed and stamped. All costs time and money. Export and imports between EU countries doesn't require any of that. no it doesn't.......stop making stuff up.......you e-mail them.......same day service...... i did 3 carnets on friday in less than 5 mins.....nothing to it...... #hystericalsnowflake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, woody2 said: have you ever taken a truck or 7 across the eu or are you just a armchair troll....... I am not a truck driver but I do export our goods around the world. You are not a manufacturer, perhaps it is different for service providers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, woody2 said: no it doesn't.......stop making stuff up.......you e-mail them.......same day service...... i did 3 carnets on friday in less than 5 mins.....nothing to it...... #hystericalsnowflake I am not making anything up, I have to go to the chamber of commerce to get certificates of origins signed and stamped. Obviously, I am talking about where am I, I cannot say how it works where you are. You are not a manufacturer, perhaps it is different for service providers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 49 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesia's_Unilateral_Declaration_of_Independence BORIS speaks in terms of a declaration of independence. Some want it. Others oppose. I recall the last time a PM did that when not all the country agreed. It ended in a mess and then Mugabe. Naturally I was in the House of Commons that day Even then I was aware of being in the presence of history as it were...It was an educational school trip. So far these high flown declarations have caused trouble galore. ie American declaration, Irish 1916, Rhodesia and now Boris thinks he is Thomas Jefferson..... "this one time.......at band camp........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: I am not a truck driver but I do export our goods around the world. You are not a manufacturer, perhaps it is different for service providers? yes i am...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, woody2 said: yes i am...... If you use carnets your goods must be a temporary export. What do you manufacture that is re-exported within 12 months? The only carnets we use are for our travelling salesmen who go outside of the EU. As you will no doubt know, carnets have different rules and a different status to full imports/exports. Edited October 22, 2019 by mojomonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Wow, Woody referencing The Guardian, we are living in strange times. Not that strange from Captain Chaff. Some of the allegations are from 2010 and naturally the tories wanted to headline them as much as possible. If you throw enough mud eventually some of it will stick.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, mojomonkey said: I like to think that Barry was at every major historical event, ever, in the entire history of mankind. It was Barrie who said "Keep your eye on that one Harold..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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