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1 minute ago, woolley said:

Not often you hear someone say how pleased they are through gritted teeth but you managed it three times in that short post. Well done. We had the NHS before the EU. We'll still have it after. 

No teeth gritting here.

And yes we will have the NHS after exit.  But for how long and in what form is the question.

Yet another uncertainty for the Brexit faithful to potentially defend in the years to come.

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39 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

No teeth gritting here.

And yes we will have the NHS after exit.  But for how long and in what form is the question.

Yet another uncertainty for the Brexit faithful to potentially defend in the years to come.

Well the NHS is badly in need of reform but it is unlikely to get it. It will survive because it's a sacred cow and it's politically toxic to do anything other than pour ever increasing amounts of money in. It's survival is not a Brexit or EU issue though either way. 

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8 minutes ago, woolley said:

Well the NHS is badly in need of reform but it is unlikely to get it. It will survive because it's a sacred cow and it's politically toxic to do anything other than pour ever increasing amounts of money in. It's survival is not a Brexit or EU issue though either way. 

Means tested charges really should be introduced to the NHS.  My guess it will be on the island before the mainland but it has to happen sooner or later.

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15 minutes ago, Rog said:

Means tested charges really should be introduced to the NHS.  My guess it will be on the island before the mainland but it has to happen sooner or later.

It is means tested already (see what I did there Roger?)

As the queues for treatment get ever longer those who can afford it go private.

Simples.

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14 minutes ago, P.K. said:

It is means tested already (see what I did there Roger?)

As the queues for treatment get ever longer those who can afford it go private.

Simples.

That's nothing to do with means testing, it's choice.

Moreover by using private health provision it takes load off the free at the point of use NHS

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6 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

The NHS has been ultimately doomed for almost 15+ years since Jeremy Hunt set his sights on it.

Brexit is just going to speed things along.

Then one more plus for BREXIT.  The NHS is in desperate need of fundementaly reform.

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46 minutes ago, Rog said:

A - That's nothing to do with means testing, it's choice.

B - Moreover by using private health provision it takes load off the free at the point of use NHS

A - It is still a form of means testing, call it what you will.

B - Completely wrong.

 

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1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said:

It is if the US want it on the table for the "best deals" we were promised.

And if things are looking bleak after December, desperate times may call for desperate deals.

Ridiculous. This is just the same scare story put out by the left months ago. There is no way that the US is taking over the NHS and no way the UK is going to be desperate.  

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Just now, woolley said:

Ridiculous. This is just the same scare story put out by the left months ago. There is no way that the US is taking over the NHS and no way the UK is going to be desperate.  

1. There is documented and publicly available proof that the US wants the NHS on the table.

2.  You can't say for certain that the UK is not going to be desperate for trade deals after the 31st.

Especially when you look at how things are right now...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842

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58 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

Only a Brexit cultist would think that the Brexit is going to be good for the NHS.

It won't be reformed, it will be gutted and sold off piece by piece.

It won't, but as long as it remains a health service that is either means tested or free for some at the point of use where's the problem?

What really would be good is to provide tax relief on private medical services.

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17 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

1. There is documented and publicly available proof that the US wants the NHS on the table.

2.  You can't say for certain that the UK is not going to be desperate for trade deals after the 31st.

Especially when you look at how things are right now...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842

There is an interest in providing services to the NHS just as BUPA et al provide some services and facilities to the NHS.  Where's the problem?

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53 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

1. There is documented and publicly available proof that the US wants the NHS on the table.

2.  You can't say for certain that the UK is not going to be desperate for trade deals after the 31st.

Especially when you look at how things are right now...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842

It depends what you mean by "on the table". It does not mean a wholesale takeover of the NHS with patients being billed by US healrhcare firms which is how it has been portrayed. That's ridiculous. As for trade, you continue to peddle ludicrous pessimism. 

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