RIchard Britten Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, woolley said: Not often you hear someone say how pleased they are through gritted teeth but you managed it three times in that short post. Well done. We had the NHS before the EU. We'll still have it after. No teeth gritting here. And yes we will have the NHS after exit. But for how long and in what form is the question. Yet another uncertainty for the Brexit faithful to potentially defend in the years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: No teeth gritting here. And yes we will have the NHS after exit. But for how long and in what form is the question. Yet another uncertainty for the Brexit faithful to potentially defend in the years to come. Well the NHS is badly in need of reform but it is unlikely to get it. It will survive because it's a sacred cow and it's politically toxic to do anything other than pour ever increasing amounts of money in. It's survival is not a Brexit or EU issue though either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, woolley said: It's survival is not a Brexit or EU issue though either way. It is if the US want it on the table for the "best deals" we were promised. And if things are looking bleak after December, desperate times may call for desperate deals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, woolley said: Well the NHS is badly in need of reform but it is unlikely to get it. It will survive because it's a sacred cow and it's politically toxic to do anything other than pour ever increasing amounts of money in. It's survival is not a Brexit or EU issue though either way. Means tested charges really should be introduced to the NHS. My guess it will be on the island before the mainland but it has to happen sooner or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Rog said: Means tested charges really should be introduced to the NHS. My guess it will be on the island before the mainland but it has to happen sooner or later. It is means tested already (see what I did there Roger?) As the queues for treatment get ever longer those who can afford it go private. Simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 The NHS has been ultimately doomed for almost 15+ years since Jeremy Hunt set his sights on it. Brexit is just going to speed things along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, P.K. said: It is means tested already (see what I did there Roger?) As the queues for treatment get ever longer those who can afford it go private. Simples. That's nothing to do with means testing, it's choice. Moreover by using private health provision it takes load off the free at the point of use NHS Edited January 29, 2020 by Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: The NHS has been ultimately doomed for almost 15+ years since Jeremy Hunt set his sights on it. Brexit is just going to speed things along. Then one more plus for BREXIT. The NHS is in desperate need of fundementaly reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, Rog said: Then one more plus for BREXIT. The NHS is in desperate need of fundementaly reform. Only a Brexit cultist would think that the Brexit is going to be good for the NHS. It won't be reformed, it will be gutted and sold off piece by piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 46 minutes ago, Rog said: A - That's nothing to do with means testing, it's choice. B - Moreover by using private health provision it takes load off the free at the point of use NHS A - It is still a form of means testing, call it what you will. B - Completely wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said: It is if the US want it on the table for the "best deals" we were promised. And if things are looking bleak after December, desperate times may call for desperate deals. Ridiculous. This is just the same scare story put out by the left months ago. There is no way that the US is taking over the NHS and no way the UK is going to be desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, woolley said: Ridiculous. This is just the same scare story put out by the left months ago. There is no way that the US is taking over the NHS and no way the UK is going to be desperate. 1. There is documented and publicly available proof that the US wants the NHS on the table. 2. You can't say for certain that the UK is not going to be desperate for trade deals after the 31st. Especially when you look at how things are right now... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 58 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Only a Brexit cultist would think that the Brexit is going to be good for the NHS. It won't be reformed, it will be gutted and sold off piece by piece. It won't, but as long as it remains a health service that is either means tested or free for some at the point of use where's the problem? What really would be good is to provide tax relief on private medical services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: 1. There is documented and publicly available proof that the US wants the NHS on the table. 2. You can't say for certain that the UK is not going to be desperate for trade deals after the 31st. Especially when you look at how things are right now... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842 There is an interest in providing services to the NHS just as BUPA et al provide some services and facilities to the NHS. Where's the problem? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 53 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: 1. There is documented and publicly available proof that the US wants the NHS on the table. 2. You can't say for certain that the UK is not going to be desperate for trade deals after the 31st. Especially when you look at how things are right now... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842 It depends what you mean by "on the table". It does not mean a wholesale takeover of the NHS with patients being billed by US healrhcare firms which is how it has been portrayed. That's ridiculous. As for trade, you continue to peddle ludicrous pessimism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.