RIchard Britten Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, woolley said: Which amounts to the same thing. Obviously. Not really. That is just a narrative that the Leave campaign cooked up to give the faithful another soundbite. Part of the whole "if you're not with us, you are against us", "remainers = traitors", "we won, now get with the program and start coming together or leave" nonsense that is being peddled around (MF included) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Not really. That is just a narrative that the Leave campaign cooked up to give the faithful another soundbite. Part of the whole "if you're not with us, you are against us", "remainers = traitors", "we won, now get with the program and start coming together or leave" nonsense that is being peddled around (MF included) Well that might have been an arguable stance during the campaign. Perhaps even during the shenanigans in Parliament as the backsliders fought their rearguard action against the political reality, but it is difficult to justify now all of that is over. So what is the alternative that avoids you trying to run the country down for ever in honour of a defeated position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, woolley said: Well that might have been an arguable stance during the campaign. Perhaps even during the shenanigans in Parliament as the backsliders fought their rearguard action against the political reality, but it is difficult to justify now all of that is over. So what is the alternative that avoids you trying to run the country down for ever in honour of a defeated position? Again, running the debacle that is Brexit (and its faithful) down. This "running the country down" is your strawman to carry, not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 36 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Clarification. I am gleefully talking Brexit and its affects down. UK +1.1% eurozone +1% france +0.8% germany 0.5% (Q3) italy 0.0% growth between q4 2018 and q4 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, sir nige said: not based on % Vs population......uk is no.1...... Which is not what you said. You said biggest funder, perhaps you should have been clearer in what you meant. Even if you look at funding as a percentage versus population the UK still wasn't the biggest. The most up to date (2018) population estimates - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_population - (rounded to the nearest 0.5 million for ease of calculations) from Eurostat are: Germany: 83 million France: 67 million UK: 66 million The most accurate contributions I can find are https://www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/budgetataglance/default_en.html#germany (rounded to the nearest 0.5 million Euros for ease of calculations) are: Germany: 19.5 million Euros France: 16 million Euros UK: 10.5 million Euros Do the maths and that equates to: Germany: 0.23 per head of population France: 0.24 per head of population UK: 0.16 per head of population Edited February 11, 2020 by mojomonkey sphellin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 france 0.58 germany 0.43 uk 0.38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, sir nige said: france 0.58 germany 0.43 uk 0.38 Please explain and give the references for how you are arriving at those figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 return per £..........the lower the number the higher funder........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 40 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Which is not what you said. You said biggest funder, perhaps you should have been clearer in what you meant. Even if you look at funding as a percentage versus population the UK still wasn't the biggest. The most up to date (2018) population estimates - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_population - (rounded to the nearest 0.5 million for ease of calculations) from Eurostat are: Germany: 83 million France: 67 million UK: 66 million The most accurate contributions I can find are https://www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/budgetataglance/default_en.html#germany (rounded to the nearest 0.5 million Euros for ease of calculations) are: Germany: 19.5 million Euros France: 16 million Euros UK: 10.5 million Euros Do the maths and that equates to: Germany: 0.23 per head of population France: 0.24 per head of population UK: 0.16 per head of population Millions? Or billions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Which is not what you said. You said biggest funder, perhaps you should have been clearer in what you meant. Even if you look at funding as a percentage versus population the UK still wasn't the biggest. The most up to date (2018) population estimates - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_population - (rounded to the nearest 0.5 million for ease of calculations) from Eurostat are: Germany: 83 million France: 67 million UK: 66 million The most accurate contributions I can find are https://www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/budgetataglance/default_en.html#germany (rounded to the nearest 0.5 million Euros for ease of calculations) are: Germany: 19587 million Euros France: 16234 million Euros UK: 10575 million Euros Do the maths and that equates to: Germany: 236 per head of population France: 242 per head of population UK: 160 per head of population Sorry, I meant billions (trying to write this on a phone and the formatting is tricky), have amended but the headline figures don't particularly change. Edited February 11, 2020 by mojomonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, sir nige said: return per £..........the lower the number the higher funder........ Sorry, but that is moving the goalposts somewhat. That is definitely not how who the biggest contributor would be determined. Anyway, where are you getting those figures and how are you calculating that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
display name Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Clearly you both need to study your folklore and legend... Ah,you mean bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 57 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Again, running the debacle that is Brexit (and its faithful) down. This "running the country down" is your strawman to carry, not mine. Why keep kvetching? The majority of the people in the UK have what they want. It's over. Moreover we now have a decent and patriotic government instead of one under the influence of the horrible thing we have had since that fool Cameron became PM. So why keep picking over the bones. Just accept it for what it is - or ship out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Rog said: Moreover we now have a decent and patriotic government instead of one under the influence of the horrible thing we have had since that fool Cameron became PM. "That fool Cameron" errr would he be the one who gave you your totally stupid and completely unnecessary brexit? You know what? I believe it is. Well, in that case I would have to wholeheartedly agree with you... As to a "decent" government only today the President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, was openly mocking Boris Johnson, our actual Prime Minister, for no other reason than he was talking complete and utter bollox. Very poor show wouldn't you say....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, manxman1980 said: One for Rog and Sir Nige... That's great map that you are using Manxman. Easily readable by somebody who commutes by Ox and Cart. Did somebody tell you which way up it went or was it just a lucky guess? Edited February 11, 2020 by Manximus Aururaneus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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