manxman1980 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, woolley said: Yes. Both sides. Like boxers at the weigh in. The analogy of Gove as a boxer just makes me wince. He will be knocked out in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Manximus Aururaneus said: That's great map that you are using Manxman. Easily readable by somebody who commutes by Ox and Cart. Did somebody tell you which way up it went or was it just a lucky guess? How troll... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 10 hours ago, mojomonkey said: Maybe in your odd world it is preferred but major business does not want that uncertainty. No deal potentially means gaining embargoed status and all the headaches that come with that. Leave the EU by all means but thinking that suddenly we don't need to do business with the EU anymore is beyond naive. We do not need to establish an all encompassing trade deal with the EU. Trade deals can and if necessary would be set up with individual states within the EU. The European Commission are aware of this and it scares them shirtless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: The analogy of Gove as a boxer just makes me wince. He will be knocked out in the first round. I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 10 hours ago, mojomonkey said: Maybe in your odd world it is preferred but major business does not want that uncertainty. No deal potentially means gaining embargoed status and all the headaches that come with that. Leave the EU by all means but thinking that suddenly we don't need to do business with the EU anymore is beyond naive. The EU is already showing fault lines and if the European Commission were to come the hard man with the member states that certainly create further **exits which we having shown the way is a racing certainty that others will quit the EU in disgust anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: The analogy of Gove as a boxer just makes me wince. He will be knocked out in the first round. Slithery Gove punched out. What a lovely thought.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rog said: We do not need to establish an all encompassing trade deal with the EU. Trade deals can and if necessary would be set up with individual states within the EU. The European Commission are aware of this and it scares them shirtless. Hah. The EU would not allow it. They aren't sovereign states, you see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, mojomonkey said: I think we are saying the same thing? Business is a two way street, there are UK based companies that will want to continue trade with EU based companies and vice versa. I can understand those who wanted to leave the EU and think it was correct that the UK has done what the majority who voted in the referendum wanted but I cannot understand those (i.e. Rog) who seem to want isolate the UK from the rest of Europe in pretty much every respect. I want to isolate the UK from the EU, not European nations as individuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, woolley said: Hah. The EU would not allow it. They aren't sovereign states, you see. The EU would have little choice. See my comment on EU fault lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, Rog said: We do not need to establish an all encompassing trade deal with the EU. Trade deals can and if necessary would be set up with individual states within the EU. The European Commission are aware of this and it scares them shirtless. Wrong, they are prohibited from doing that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/policy-making/ As I said, naive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Rog said: I want to isolate the UK from the EU, not European nations as individuals. Pretty hard to trade with European nations without having to deal with the EU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Wrong, they are prohibited from doing that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/policy-making/ As I said, naive. No, just a dumb saddo... Edited February 12, 2020 by GD4ELI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: Sorry, given the promise of unicorns and the general lack of fact on this thread I thought it was entirely fitting. In reality it is believed that the early Celtic settlers were from Ireland. Manx Gaelic and Irish Gaelic are similar which would support this. So Mother Ireland is fitting. Obviously over the years different cultures have influenced the island. So is Welsh, Cornish, and Scottish. It's more than likely that the Celtic tribes were driven to the backwaters of the British archipelago by invaders, especially the Romans, and the close association of Manx Celtic language and Ireland is due to those from Ireland swimming to Liverpool who got tired half way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Pretty hard to trade with European nations without having to deal with the EU. No it isn't. Keep in mind that trade requires a seller with something a buyer wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, woolley said: Hah. The EU would not allow it. They aren't sovereign states, you see. Incorrect. They are sovereign states who signed up to an common economic trade agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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