Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Getting naiver. Feel free to explain (with references) how EU member states are allowed to make trade deals independent of the EU. https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/policy-making/ "Trade outside the EU is an exclusive responsibility of the EU, rather than the national governments of member countries." At present they are not but that is a situation that WILL NOT be tolerated as the power of the European Commission is increasingly ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, Rog said: At present they are not but that is a situation that WILL NOT be tolerated as the power of the European Commission is increasingly ignored. Supposition again. Face it Rog what you wrote was wrong, stop wriggling it looks pathetic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Congratulations on being able to identify the Celtic nations of Cornwall, Scotland, Wales, Ireland and the Isle of Man... You know the exact areas identified on that map. The Isle of Man was never Roman, neither was Scotland. The Vikings invaded and settled along with the Celts hence why the Isle of Man has the Bishopric of Sodor and Mann. It's because the Romans didn't invade that the Celts remained where they had been driven to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, mojomonkey said: Supposition again. Face it Rog what you wrote was wrong, stop wriggling it looks pathetic. Look at movements taking place in the EU at present and follow the trail that is being established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, Rog said: Look at movements taking place in the EU at present and follow the trail that is being established. Rog, simple question. At the time of writing can individual EU member states make their own trade deals with non EU member states? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Getting naiver. Feel free to explain (with references) how EU member states are allowed to make trade deals independent of the EU. https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/policy-making/ "Trade outside the EU is an exclusive responsibility of the EU, rather than the national governments of member countries." At this time the member states are committed to toe the European Commission line. As the EU continues the implosion that has now started that European Commission diktat will be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Rog, can you tell me Saturday's lottery numbers please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, mojomonkey said: Rog, simple question. At the time of writing can individual EU member states make their own trade deals with non EU member states? No, but the key phrase is "at this time of writing". As the EU continues to go down the pan how long that will last is a big unknown and how many member states will give a big f you and ignore that diktat is an known only in terms of the actual number but it will certainly not be zero. Denmark might well be first and with a big question mark over will it be a Danish or an Italian exit next let alone the real unknown which is Hungary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 45 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Incorrect. They are sovereign states who signed up to an common economic trade agreement. Thereby surrendering sovereignty in that area. Followed by every other area where, treaty by treaty, competency has been ceded to the higher authority of the union. You can't pool sovereignty. You either have it or you don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Rog, can you tell me Saturday's lottery numbers please. Yes. They are within the range of one to fifty nine. You choose your favourites! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rog said: No, but the key phrase is "at this time of writing". As the EU continues to go down the pan how long that will last is a big unknown and how many member states will give a big f you and ignore that diktat is an known only in terms of the actual number but it will certainly not be zero. Denmark might well be first and with a big question mark over will it be a Danish or an Italian exit next let alone the real unknown which is Hungary. Rog, you said "Trade deals can if necessary would be set up with individual states within the EU". Can is present tense, so we have to be talking about at the time of writing. The rest of what you suggest could happen is pure speculation and supposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Supposition again. Face it Rog what you wrote was wrong, stop wriggling it looks pathetic. FWIW by making investments over the years based partially on supposition I now live remarkably well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Rog, you said "Trade deals can if necessary would be set up with individual states within the EU". Can is present tense, so we have to be talking about at the time of writing. The rest of what you suggest could happen is pure speculation and supposition. But the bottom line is that we do not NEED to trade with the EU. The European Commission know this fine well and that means we hold the trump card. Throw in our fishing waters and if we hold the line then the European Commission are just blowing smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 @ Mojo. @ Rog: Of course Mojo is correct about the current legal situation and the member states are assiduously toeing the line. However, what Rog says undeniably has merit. Can you imagine a situation where BMW cannot sell into the UK competitively because the EU says so? Of course not. The same goes for every other major exporter on both sides. This is why the scare stories are just that, and it is why, inevitably, solutions will be found. Brussels might want its rules but it needs money and governments need their taxes even more. So chill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rog said: But the bottom line is that we do not NEED to trade with the EU. Utter tripe. Trade is a two way street. There are companies in EU member states that will want to trade with companies in the UK, and there are companies in the UK that will want to trade with companies in EU member states. To think that the UK does not need to interact with the EU is naive. Is 615000 million pounds of trade just going to stop? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_United_Kingdom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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