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So the UK is finished says Theresa Mayhem


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1 minute ago, woolley said:

EU can make clear what it likes and is bound to do so because this calls into question its raison d'etre In the end though,  this will be driven by financial imperative. The UK was not 1/28th of the club as we are often told. It was closer to one eighth with one of the most dynamic economies. Of course the EU must try to hold the line on what it will sign up to in the lead up to talks. It is in an existential struggle, and it knows so. In the end though,  compromise is inevitable. 

Why?  We don't NEED a trade deal with the EU.  Why should we compromise ANYTHING.

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27 minutes ago, Rog said:

The UK is NOT a part of Europe. There's a festering great barrier of water between us and Europe (though sadly not enough to keep criminals out)

I mean, just look at the state of this. By this preposterous argument the RoI, Sardinia, Corsica, Sicily, Malta, huge parts of Sweden or Greece, countless other places are also not part of Europe. Dumb as the dumbest thing you can think of.

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It does make me smile that when backed into a corner by reality the brexiteers always play the roundly and soundly debunked "sovereignty" card.

Presumably because by being the biggest con trick of the lot it's the easiest to fudge....

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2 minutes ago, Rog said:

Why?  We don't NEED a trade deal with the EU.  Why should we compromise ANYTHING.

We might not NEED it, but I don't see many people claiming it would not be desirable. It should not be done at any cost. If they try to sign us up to all of their crazy rules we walk away. It all depends what comes out of the negotiations. 

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13 hours ago, mojomonkey said:

Maybe in your odd world it is preferred but major business does not want that uncertainty. No deal potentially means gaining embargoed status and all the headaches that come with that. Leave the EU by all means but thinking that suddenly we don't need to do business with the EU anymore is beyond naive.

the eu wants to put conditions on that it doesn't have on any other fta.....thats why its better for the uk to walk away.....

you can't do business at any cost and as it stands the uk is better off under wto......

4 hours ago, mojomonkey said:

This is an interesting concept for measuring contributions, so I decided to do some rough calculations based on available information from:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/budgetataglance/default_en.html#united_kingdom

(amount paid in and amount paid out)

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_population

(populations)

 

UK:

Population - 66 million

Amount paid in  - 10575 million Euros

Amount paid out - 6326 million Euros

Actual contribution (amount paid in minus amount paid out) - plus 4249 million Euros

Amount per head of population (amount paid in divided by population) - plus 64 per head

 

France:

Population - 67 million

Amount paid in  - 16234 million Euros

Amount paid out - 13505 million Euros

Actual contribution (amount paid in minus amount paid out) - plus 2729 million Euros

Amount per head of population (amount paid in divided by population) - plus 41 per head

 

Germany:

Population - 83 million

Amount paid in  - 19587 million Euros

Amount paid out - 10927 million Euros

Actual contribution (amount paid in minus amount paid out) - plus 8660 million Euros

Amount per head of population (amount paid in divided by population) - plus 104 per head

 

Poland:

Population - 38 million

Amount paid in  - 3048 million Euros

Amount paid out - 11921 million Euros

Actual contribution (amount paid in minus amount paid out) - minus 8873 million Euros

Amount per head of population (amount paid in divided by population) - minus 234 per head

 

You must be coming at it from a different angle, it would be interesting if you could explain exactly how you arrive at your given figures and show where you are taking from base information from.

 

Setting all of the above aside, it is clear that the EU is going to have an issue now one of its biggest funding sources has left.

the uk is paying close to £500m a week (we won't know until the extra £1.1bn is added).....

uk pays the most per head and gets the least money returned.....

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Just now, sir nige said:

you're going wrong with how much the uk pays in......

Then point us in the right direction.

 

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/budgetataglance/default_en.html#united_kingdom

Contribution (paid in): 10575 million Euros

EU spending (paid out): 6326 million Euros

Difference (actual contribution): 4249 million Euros

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48 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

I mean, just look at the state of this. By this preposterous argument the RoI, Sardinia, Corsica, Sicily, Malta, huge parts of Sweden or Greece, countless other places are also not part of Europe. Dumb as the dumbest thing you can think of.

That's right.  They're not part of Europe. They're off shore islands. Politically they are part of European states but that's a different thing.

We are NOT a part of any European state. We are NOT part of Europe.

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49 minutes ago, P.K. said:

It does make me smile that when backed into a corner by reality the brexiteers always play the roundly and soundly debunked "sovereignty" card.

Presumably because by being the biggest con trick of the lot it's the easiest to fudge....

It's not "debunked".  

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