Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, woolley said: EU can make clear what it likes and is bound to do so because this calls into question its raison d'etre In the end though, this will be driven by financial imperative. The UK was not 1/28th of the club as we are often told. It was closer to one eighth with one of the most dynamic economies. Of course the EU must try to hold the line on what it will sign up to in the lead up to talks. It is in an existential struggle, and it knows so. In the end though, compromise is inevitable. Why? We don't NEED a trade deal with the EU. Why should we compromise ANYTHING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Roger just thinks the UK can ignore it's biggest market and still prosper. Like all the brexiteers he's just "a little light on detail" shall we say.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, Rog said: The UK is NOT a part of Europe. There's a festering great barrier of water between us and Europe (though sadly not enough to keep criminals out) I mean, just look at the state of this. By this preposterous argument the RoI, Sardinia, Corsica, Sicily, Malta, huge parts of Sweden or Greece, countless other places are also not part of Europe. Dumb as the dumbest thing you can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The eight continents of the World - Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Antarctica, Europe, Australia and Norfolk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 It does make me smile that when backed into a corner by reality the brexiteers always play the roundly and soundly debunked "sovereignty" card. Presumably because by being the biggest con trick of the lot it's the easiest to fudge.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, woolley said: That's why there will be an agreement. Money talks and business is money. It’s why the EU will hold the line, and the U.K. will cave, or face economic suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rog said: Why? We don't NEED a trade deal with the EU. Why should we compromise ANYTHING. We might not NEED it, but I don't see many people claiming it would not be desirable. It should not be done at any cost. If they try to sign us up to all of their crazy rules we walk away. It all depends what comes out of the negotiations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 13 hours ago, mojomonkey said: Maybe in your odd world it is preferred but major business does not want that uncertainty. No deal potentially means gaining embargoed status and all the headaches that come with that. Leave the EU by all means but thinking that suddenly we don't need to do business with the EU anymore is beyond naive. the eu wants to put conditions on that it doesn't have on any other fta.....thats why its better for the uk to walk away..... you can't do business at any cost and as it stands the uk is better off under wto...... 4 hours ago, mojomonkey said: This is an interesting concept for measuring contributions, so I decided to do some rough calculations based on available information from: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/budgetataglance/default_en.html#united_kingdom (amount paid in and amount paid out) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_population (populations) UK: Population - 66 million Amount paid in - 10575 million Euros Amount paid out - 6326 million Euros Actual contribution (amount paid in minus amount paid out) - plus 4249 million Euros Amount per head of population (amount paid in divided by population) - plus 64 per head France: Population - 67 million Amount paid in - 16234 million Euros Amount paid out - 13505 million Euros Actual contribution (amount paid in minus amount paid out) - plus 2729 million Euros Amount per head of population (amount paid in divided by population) - plus 41 per head Germany: Population - 83 million Amount paid in - 19587 million Euros Amount paid out - 10927 million Euros Actual contribution (amount paid in minus amount paid out) - plus 8660 million Euros Amount per head of population (amount paid in divided by population) - plus 104 per head Poland: Population - 38 million Amount paid in - 3048 million Euros Amount paid out - 11921 million Euros Actual contribution (amount paid in minus amount paid out) - minus 8873 million Euros Amount per head of population (amount paid in divided by population) - minus 234 per head You must be coming at it from a different angle, it would be interesting if you could explain exactly how you arrive at your given figures and show where you are taking from base information from. Setting all of the above aside, it is clear that the EU is going to have an issue now one of its biggest funding sources has left. the uk is paying close to £500m a week (we won't know until the extra £1.1bn is added)..... uk pays the most per head and gets the least money returned..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, sir nige said: uk pays the most per head and gets the least money returned..... I have politely asked several times now, where is your evidence and references to support that? I posted my basic calculations with the evidence and references, they are there to be examined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: It’s why the EU will hold the line, and the U.K. will cave, or face economic suicide. The EU is not omnipotent. Far from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: I have politely asked several times now, where is your evidence and references to support that? I posted my basic calculations with the evidence and references, they are there to be examined. you're going wrong with how much the uk pays in...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, sir nige said: you're going wrong with how much the uk pays in...... Then point us in the right direction. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/budgetataglance/default_en.html#united_kingdom Contribution (paid in): 10575 million Euros EU spending (paid out): 6326 million Euros Difference (actual contribution): 4249 million Euros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 48 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: I mean, just look at the state of this. By this preposterous argument the RoI, Sardinia, Corsica, Sicily, Malta, huge parts of Sweden or Greece, countless other places are also not part of Europe. Dumb as the dumbest thing you can think of. That's right. They're not part of Europe. They're off shore islands. Politically they are part of European states but that's a different thing. We are NOT a part of any European state. We are NOT part of Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 49 minutes ago, P.K. said: It does make me smile that when backed into a corner by reality the brexiteers always play the roundly and soundly debunked "sovereignty" card. Presumably because by being the biggest con trick of the lot it's the easiest to fudge.... It's not "debunked". 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Rog, which continent is the UK located in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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