Rog Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, P.K. said: Hardly. Just pointing out the facts where folks may have "misunderstood" them shall we say. Take The Maybot. I don't like her, particularly after her really quite appalling "hostile environment" and the resulting Windrush scandal. But there's no denying her WA, courtesy of Olly Robbins and Sabine Weyand, was better than the cut-and-paste Johnson effort. In your opinion maybe but that doesn't mean that you're right. In fact the outcome of the last general election clearly shows that the majority of the UK electorate rightly believed that she and her arse up plans for BREXIT were NOT what was wanted, we wanted BREXIT and everything that came with it at ANY price. Likewise we didn't want any form of socialism, and the appalling antisemitism of Momentum and the Corbyn ideals just added further reasons he and the Momentum/Labour idealists were given the "Bums Rush" by the decent right thinking people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: They have left, hence why I said it is time to step up. Hopefully some good deals coming. We don't NEED EU trade deals with the European Commission. Let's just end the far too long transition stage EARLY and walk away - and then sort out any trade deals with the whole world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) So Sajid Javid walks as Chancellor after refusing to (at least partly) relinquish control of Treasury to the unelected Dominic Cummings and advisors ( Sky News). Replacement stooge appointed. Bojo's having a giraffe... Edited February 13, 2020 by Non-Believer Typo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: So Sajid Javid walks as Chancellor after refusing to (at least partly) relinquish control of Treasury to the unelected Dominic Cummings and advisors ( Sky News). Bojo's having a giraffe... Not so. SJ was asked to shed "advisors" who were not cooperating with the agenda that BoJo was intent on insisting on and obviously they had to go. Foolishly SJ chose not to comply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rog said: In your opinion maybe but that doesn't mean that you're right. In fact the outcome of the last general election clearly shows that the majority of the UK electorate rightly believed that she and her arse up plans for BREXIT were NOT what was wanted, we wanted BREXIT and everything that came with it at ANY price. Likewise we didn't want any form of socialism, and the appalling antisemitism of Momentum and the Corbyn ideals just added further reasons he and the Momentum/Labour idealists were given the "Bums Rush" by the decent right thinking people. As I have posted previously I REALLY REALLY want those who voted Leave to get EXACTLY the brexit they voted for. Which will be wonderful - because Roger says so... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Rog said: We don't NEED EU trade deals with the European Commission. Let's just end the far too long transition stage EARLY and walk away - and then sort out any trade deals with the whole world. Who mentioned EU trade deals. There is a whole wide World out there (7 continents!) to make deals with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Rog said: Not so. SJ was asked to shed "advisors" who were not cooperating with the agenda that BoJo was intent on insisting on and obviously they had to go. Foolishly SJ chose not to comply. Treasury has always needed to operate independently from No.10 for the obvious need for fiscal prudence as opposed to political expediencey. As does the BOE. Said fiscal prudence and democracy should not be usurped by the unelected. I thought we just left the EU on those grounds? How many people voted for Dominic Cummings again? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: Treasury has always needed to operate independently from No.10 for the obvious need for fiscal prudence as opposed to political expediencey. As does the BOE. Said fiscal prudence and democracy should not be usurped by the unelected. I thought we just left the EU on those grounds? How many people voted for Dominic Cummings again? Tre treasury has NOT always operated from HMG, that was a bit of chicanery that charlatan Gordon Brown introduced. In any case Dominic is a (rightly) trusted advisor. On that basis no one needed to vote for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, Rog said: Tre treasury has NOT always operated from HMG, that was a bit of chicanery that charlatan Gordon Brown introduced. In any case Dominic is a (rightly) trusted advisor. On that basis no one needed to vote for him. Then the UK is more screwed than anybody could have possibly previously realised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 40 minutes ago, Rog said: Tre treasury has NOT always operated from HMG, that was a bit of chicanery that charlatan Gordon Brown introduced. In any case Dominic is a (rightly) trusted advisor. On that basis no one needed to vote for him. Hardly chicanery by Broon. For years unscrupulous politicians had fucked around with interest rates prior to elections to ensure they got the votes. Especially the tories because of their already well-off supporters having large mortgages to end up with quite a pile. It was in the Labour Manifesto and after their win he just went and did it and put an end to boom and bust cycles. Good for him... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Good point! Forgot about him. That worked out well didn't it? A trend started by the ghastly Blair like much else that is unwholesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 12 hours ago, sir nige said: in the year 2525 if remoaners is still alive.......... Don't worry, PK will still be here trying to rally the Remain argument to anyone who will listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 hours ago, mojomonkey said: I reckon Bernard Ingham was probably the first public one. Be nice if it was elected people that actually ran things instead of civil servants and "advisors", but you're right it has always gone on. I just think that before Blair they were al little more reticent. As Maggie said "Advisors advise, ministers decide." Admittedly, she did also say "every Prime Minister needs a Willie". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Will you start designing locomotives again now the UK is leaving the EU? HS2 must be a perfect opportunity plus all these export opportunities to take advantage of as well. Is should never have allowed its engineering base to decline so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 hours ago, mojomonkey said: I reckon Bernard Ingham was probably the first public one. Be nice if it was elected people that actually ran things instead of civil servants and "advisors", but you're right it has always gone on. That's OK. But one day you are going to elect a Parliament that's full of preening useless tossers. Then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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