woody2 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 its great news did anyone watch the losers debate last night.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, woody2 said: its great news did anyone watch the losers debate last night.... Nope, but I did watch Mindhorn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Too many biscuits more like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Are you ready for the apocalypse of truth? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 i hear germany is worried about eu nationals heading to them once the uk stops paying benefits to them, with uk gdp looking to overtake german gdp its not looking good..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Individual EU Associate Membership. I now consider that Guy Verhofstadt and the EU will be the ones who are negotiating in my interests as a European citizen and that Mrs May will be the one who is negotiating my rights away. This way, the 48% of us who voted to remain would have a way to keep some of the rights we currently enjoy. I would take the opportunity without a second thought, even if I had to opt-in to a European Union tax in order to do it. If the U.K. Blocks this, I would definitely be prepared to take to the streets in protest. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-keep-freedom-of-movement-guy-verhofstadt-chief-negotiator-opt-in-passports-a7465271.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, guzzi said: Individual EU Associate Membership. I now consider that Guy Verhofstadt and the EU will be the ones who are negotiating in my interests as a European citizen and that Mrs May will be the one who is negotiating my rights away. This way, the 48% of us who voted to remain would have a way to keep some of the rights we currently enjoy. I would take the opportunity without a second thought, even if I had to opt-in to a European Union tax in order to do it. If the U.K. Blocks this, I would definitely be prepared to take to the streets in protest. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-keep-freedom-of-movement-guy-verhofstadt-chief-negotiator-opt-in-passports-a7465271.html already posted about, its got to get past the eu first and requires a treaty change, last one took over 10 years..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Originally it was destined for the paper on treaty change, but if you read this new report, Verhofstadt considers it too important and pressing to leave for treaty change, and intends to table it as part of the negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 39 minutes ago, guzzi said: Originally it was destined for the paper on treaty change, but if you read this new report, Verhofstadt considers it too important and pressing to leave for treaty change, and intends to table it as part of the negotiations. but can't come into force without treaty change which the eu is based on so pointless.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 There is EU precedent for non-binding acceptance if member states agree. It applied to the Treaty of Lisbon, for example, before full ratification. The fact is that the exit of the UK has no close precedent, and trying to predict now what might end up being agreed is foolish Protecting the rights of EU and UK citizens has always been a major policy heading in the negotiation, and extending the right of individual membership to UK citizens could form part of the ratified agreement, But even if treaty change was required, it wouldn't make it pointless just because it might take some time to negotiate. Frustrating yes, but not pointless. I am far more fearful that the U.K. Government will block the provision in U.K. Law, in an attempt to impose some sort of national unity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 3 hours ago, guzzi said: Originally it was destined for the paper on treaty change, but if you read this new report, Verhofstadt considers it too important and pressing to leave for treaty change, and intends to table it as part of the negotiations. It's a superb negotiating position, I for one will take EU citizenship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 2 hours ago, guzzi said: There is EU precedent for non-binding acceptance if member states agree. It applied to the Treaty of Lisbon, for example, before full ratification. The fact is that the exit of the UK has no close precedent, and trying to predict now what might end up being agreed is foolish Protecting the rights of EU and UK citizens has always been a major policy heading in the negotiation, and extending the right of individual membership to UK citizens could form part of the ratified agreement, But even if treaty change was required, it wouldn't make it pointless just because it might take some time to negotiate. Frustrating yes, but not pointless. I am far more fearful that the U.K. Government will block the provision in U.K. Law, in an attempt to impose some sort of national unity. the eu have been talking about it for over 10 years, its nothing new, i doubt they will spend 5 minutes on it, they have no interest in ex-eu citizens- do some research.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 1 hour ago, GD4ELI said: It's a superb negotiating position, I for one will take EU citizenship. it ain't going to happen in the next 10 years, i guess you could move into the eu..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Woody, your position is hardly unexpected given your usual posts on this and other subjects. I don't think you are right. I note that Verhofstadt has escalated this proposal to a negotiating objective for the EU and watch with interest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 28 minutes ago, woody2 said: it ain't going to happen in the next 10 years, i guess you could move into the eu..... Skilled, quality UK professionals are welcome in the EU - it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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