Rog Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, P.K. said: If our infrastructure is collapsing it's because of underfunding. Speak to totally amoral narcissistic serial philanderer and inveterate liar Boris Johnson. His default setting is "When in doubt - LIE ABOUT IT!!!" Right. Sussed it in spite of not wanting to. Somewhere a bridge is feeling lonely. Bye P.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, P.K. said: Even by your lamentably low standards that response was really feeble... so why doesn't the eu want the uk to go wto then? clearly it would be a big win for them when it goes wrong...... forget your rage and discuss the economics....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, P.K. said: If our infrastructure is collapsing it's because of underfunding. Speak to totally amoral narcissistic serial philanderer and inveterate liar Boris Johnson. His default setting is "When in doubt - LIE ABOUT IT!!!" how do you fund infrastructure when they don't even cover the cost of having them here....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, sir nige said: how do you fund infrastructure when they don't even cover the cost of having them here....... If they're here it's because Boris Johnson and the rest of the tory party let the asylum seekers stay here. Of the 80,813 applications that were refused or withdrawn between 2010 and 2016, only 29,659 individuals were removed, leaving 51,154 failed asylum seekers in the country from just that seven-year period. PS - don't tell Roger that his wonderful tory party have failings of the "draining the swamp" variety... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 37 minutes ago, Rog said: Just plug "EU FARCE: Brussels rules have exposed Britain's flood defences – REVEALED" into Google for one source... He won't. The truth hurts. Frightens the crap out of him... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, P.K. said: If they're here it's because Boris Johnson and the rest of the tory party let the asylum seekers stay here. Of the 80,813 applications that were refused or withdrawn between 2010 and 2016, only 29,659 individuals were removed, leaving 51,154 failed asylum seekers in the country from just that seven-year period. PS - don't tell Roger that his wonderful tory party have failings of the "draining the swamp" variety... what has that got to do withthe impact of eu nationals coming to the uk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Rog said: Wrong. Eu environmental rules have prevented dredging of waterways in the way and to the extent to which had been taking place for many decades. Add to that the restrictions on silt disposal and there is a recipe for disaster. Now throw in the pressure on the housing stock made even worse as a result of all but wide open borders not to mention illegals and house building on known flood planes ---. But they haven’t. The sources you suggest we google search are just anti EU Brexit pushing fake news sites. Dredging of rivers, canals, streams, watercourses, drains, etc, goes on all over the EU. Any slowdown here is through U.K. central and local government + environment agency choice and through a decade of lack of funding/austerity cuts down to the Tories. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, John Wright said: But they haven’t. The sources you suggest we google search are just anti EU Brexit pushing fake news sites. Dredging of rivers, canals, streams, watercourses, drains, etc, goes on all over the EU. Any slowdown here is through U.K. central and local government + environment agency choice and through a decade of lack of funding/austerity cuts down to the Tories. You can lead a horse to lots and lots and lots of floodwater... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, John Wright said: But they haven’t. The sources you suggest we google search are just anti EU Brexit pushing fake news sites. Dredging of rivers, canals, streams, watercourses, drains, etc, goes on all over the EU. Any slowdown here is through U.K. central and local government + environment agency choice and through a decade of lack of funding/austerity cuts down to the Tories. Well there's an interesting article that was published by the Adam Smith Institute dated 29th Dec 2015 that includes that is the almost complete cessation of dredging of our rivers since we were required to accept the European Water Framework Directive (EWF) into UK law in 2000 that has had such an awful knock on effect. The ASI article makes interesting reading as do most ASI article. Edited February 21, 2020 by Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rog said: Well there's an interesting article that was published by the Adam Smith Institute dated 29th Dec 2015 that includes that is the almost complete cessation of dredging of our rivers since we were required to accept the European Water Framework Directive (EWF) into UK law in 2000 that has had such an awful knock on effect. The ASI article makes interesting reading as do most ASI articles. Guess you read these ones then: https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/immigration-restrictions-make-us-poorer https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/immigration-is-no-reason-to-leave-the-eu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Guess you read these ones then: https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/immigration-restrictions-make-us-poorer https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/immigration-is-no-reason-to-leave-the-eu Yes, and I realised that they were looking at the effects of a low cost source of labour rather than putting our country first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, John Wright said: Any slowdown here is through U.K. central and local government + environment agency choice and through a decade of lack of funding/austerity cuts down to the Tories. are you sure? 2010-2020 more was spent in real terms than before under labour...... if its getting spent in the right areas or how eu regs are applied is another matter..... Edited February 21, 2020 by sir nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, sir nige said: are you sure? 2010-2020 more was spent in real terms than before under labour...... if its getting spent in the right areas or how eu regs are applied is another matter..... Link thingy. Although I realise that links and facts were never woody2’s strong point 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Rog said: Yes, and I realised that they were looking at the effects of a low cost source of labour rather than putting our country first. Roger I notice you keep using the term "our country" as though you and the rest of the UK are as one. Which is total nonsense of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 7 hours ago, quilp said: What would you expect Boris to do, put his wellies on and get stuck in? Is it his fault that the environment agency and rivers authority decided to stop dredging the waterways? Or developers being allowed to build empires on flood plains? Point the finger of blame were it's deserved. Dredging doesn’t prevent flooding. Clearing obstructions is useful, but if you dig a deeper channel you deliver a larger quantity of water to flooded area faster. Your point about building on flood plains is correct, but you should also include irrigated grouse moors (which successive U.K. governments have subsided), single crop farming (usually barley to feed the huge whisky export business) and road building. To prevent flooding you need flood plains, with as many layers of vegetation, particularly trees, as possible, to soak up the water and slow down the flow. If your going to concrete over or plough land in one area and prevent the land from soaking up rainfall, then you need to manage and extend flood plains elsewhere. Dredging anywhere except harbour mouths is just creating worse trouble downstream. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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