So the UK is finished says Theresa Mayhem

[Rog]

All this concentration on trade deals is a smoke screen. Best will be a walk-away from the European Commission with NO trade deal and the unnecessarily long transition period just tidying up any loose ends to take us back to where we were before being dragged into the EU, a thing that we never did and probably never would have elected to enter.

We managed very well indeed as an independent and sovereignty nation.

We will do so again especially once we have drained the swamp.

[manxman1980]

11 minutes ago, Rog said:

All this concentration on trade deals is a smoke screen. Best will be a walk-away from the European Commission with NO trade deal and the unnecessarily long transition period just tidying up any loose ends to take us back to where we were before being dragged into the EU, a thing that we never did and probably never would have elected to enter.

We managed very well indeed as an independent and sovereignty nation.

We will do so again especially once we have drained the swamp.

Rog this is not just about a trade agreement with the EU.  It is about trade agreements with other countries which the UK does need.

If the UK drops out of the transition period then they end up trading on WTO rules which are less favourable than those pesky EU trade deals.  The UK should be going all out to have new trade agreements lined up as soon as possible.  They have 10 months in which to do so or roll over those that were negotiated via the EU or drop onto WTO terms.

The UK needs trade deals.

[Rog]

6 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

Rog this is not just about a trade agreement with the EU.  It is about trade agreements with other countries which the UK does need.

If the UK drops out of the transition period then they end up trading on WTO rules which are less favourable than those pesky EU trade deals.  The UK should be going all out to have new trade agreements lined up as soon as possible.  They have 10 months in which to do so or roll over those that were negotiated via the EU or drop onto WTO terms.

The UK needs trade deals.

But we do NOT NEED to have trade deals in place on day #1.  Indeed there would be benefits in investigating and negotiating deals AFTER "T" day when the other parties will realise there is no pressure on HMG to establish trading relationships.  

Britain now is free from ALL constraints other than any we CHOOSE to adopt.  In any case our going forward path will be best established not by any composite deals but item by item that is in our interest and ours alone.

However all negotiations of any sort with the European Commission are going to be brutal and swimming in bullshit, something we must keep in mind and expect.

[manxman1980]

@Rog

No, the UK does not need them, however, if they don't then they will have to trade on WTO rules which are less favourable to present arrangements.  There is a reason why Mauritania is the only country who uses WTO terms.

Don't forget all those oven ready trade deals that Boris Johnson promised in the run up to the election.

The UK needs to trade with other nations.  The UK needs better trade deals than WTO rules which is what you are suggesting they should embrace.

[mojomonkey]

30 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

There is a reason why Mauritania is the only country who uses WTO terms.

Yeah, cos they're free of EUSSR oppression, wake up sheeple.

Edited February 24, 2020 by mojomonkey

[Rog]

1 minute ago, manxman1980 said:

@Rog

No, the UK does not need them, however, if they don't then they will have to trade on WTO rules which are less favourable to present arrangements.  There is a reason why Mauritania is the only country who uses WTO terms.

Don't forget all those oven ready trade deals that Boris Johnson promised in the run up to the election.

The UK needs to trade with other nations.  The UK needs better trade deals than WTO rules which is what you are suggesting they should embrace.

But we do NOT need anything in place from T+1.  Nor would we need to stick by WTO terms for ever. 

But with other parties knowing that we were under pressure to move away from WTO terms all trade negotiations would not be weighted against us.  Obviously proforma negotiated trading terms probably would be advantageous in some cases but a great many people are presenting a picture in which having no stitched up deals in place will be a disaster.

It won't, probably the precise opposite in fact.

[P.K.]

1 hour ago, Rog said:

But we do NOT need anything in place from T+1.  Nor would we need to stick by WTO terms for ever. 

But with other parties knowing that we were under pressure to move away from WTO terms all trade negotiations would not be weighted against us.  Obviously proforma negotiated trading terms probably would be advantageous in some cases but a great many people are presenting a picture in which having no stitched up deals in place will be a disaster.

It won't, probably the precise opposite in fact.

This is why it's important to realise that 40% of our foodstuffs come from the EU.

So we simply can't just stop trading with them because it suits someone's stupid alt-right dogma...

Edited February 24, 2020 by P.K.
Typo

[woolley]

13 minutes ago, P.K. said:

This is why it's important to realise that 40% of our foodstuffs come from the EU.

So we simply can't just stop trading with them because it suits someone's stupid alt-right dogma...

For fecks sake. Would you stop parroting this cobblers! We are NOT going to stop trading with these people WHATEVER happens.

[woolley]

2 hours ago, P.K. said:

What nonsense you post.

Even Liam "easiest trade deals in history" Fox went on a trade mission to Tokyo.

Failed of course. Ken Clarke told him actually in the HoC that the short shrift he received might have something to do with the lack of clout the UK had outside of the EU.

It's in Hansard if you want to go and look...

 

2 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

I don't think PK is disputing that.

I believe what he is trying to highlight is that the UK has not negotiated a trade deal with Japan that will come into effect after the transition period ends.  In fact it would appear that Japan have very little desire to give the UK a deal similar to that which is being negotiated with the EU at present. 

 

The trade between Japan and the UK is pretty even. Why would we not continue on similar terms to the present? What is Japan giving the UK here? Nothing. It's a negotiation between adults who can either help each other or hurt each other. Which is best?

[Rog]

22 minutes ago, P.K. said:

This is why it's important to realise that 40% of our foodstuffs come from the EU.

So we simply can't just stop trading with them because it suits someone's stupid alt-right dogma...

It is more than probable that now we have gained our freedom from the European Commission the freedom to trade tarif free outside of the EU will see a reduction in the cost of imports. 

[sir nige]

3 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

I don't think PK is disputing that.

I believe what he is trying to highlight is that the UK has not negotiated a trade deal with Japan that will come into effect after the transition period ends.  In fact it would appear that Japan have very little desire to give the UK a deal similar to that which is being negotiated with the EU at present. 

 

it wasn't on the rollover list.......

japan have already signed up to do a trade deal.....on the same basis as the eu.......japan trade minister was in the uk a few week ago....

3 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

Also how long after the 1st January 2021 will these rolled over deals last?  I would assume that they are time limited in order to allow new trade deals to be negotiated.

as long as both parties want.....these are new trade deals......based on the eu deals......with changes......

[P.K.]

51 minutes ago, woolley said:

For fecks sake. Would you stop parroting this cobblers! We are NOT going to stop trading with these people WHATEVER happens.

For fecks sake I just said that!

Now calm down dear and explain to Roger that we will have to keep trading with the EU for quite some time no matter what fanciful ideas he may dream up about food imports from elsewhere.

Thanks.

[woolley]

9 minutes ago, P.K. said:

For fecks sake I just said that!

Now calm down dear and explain to Roger that we will have to keep trading with the EU for quite some time no matter what fanciful ideas he may dream up about food imports from elsewhere.

Thanks.

Of course we will. We don't need the EU for that. European producers want to sell us their stuff. If the EU tries to stop them wait and see what happens.

[sir nige]

3 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

Rog this is not just about a trade agreement with the EU.  It is about trade agreements with other countries which the UK does need.

If the UK drops out of the transition period then they end up trading on WTO rules which are less favourable than those pesky EU trade deals.  The UK should be going all out to have new trade agreements lined up as soon as possible.  They have 10 months in which to do so or roll over those that were negotiated via the EU or drop onto WTO terms.

The UK needs trade deals.

 

2 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

@Rog

No, the UK does not need them, however, if they don't then they will have to trade on WTO rules which are less favourable to present arrangements.  There is a reason why Mauritania is the only country who uses WTO terms.

Don't forget all those oven ready trade deals that Boris Johnson promised in the run up to the election.

The UK needs to trade with other nations.  The UK needs better trade deals than WTO rules which is what you are suggesting they should embrace.

8% of uk total trade will be done under the new deals.....that only leaves 3% still to do....not all of them will rollover because they ain't very good deals.....

stop panicking over nothing.......

[Rog]

29 minutes ago, P.K. said:

For fecks sake I just said that!

Now calm down dear and explain to Roger that we will have to keep trading with the EU for quite some time no matter what fanciful ideas he may dream up about food imports from elsewhere.

Thanks.

Where or when have I ever claimed or even implied that we would do other than trade with nation states in the EU?  Just that there is no need to have any trade agreement in place in order to do so.