manxman1980 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, sir nige said: you're only looking at the unemployment numbers not those under other benefits....... I am merely pointing Rog in the direction of the MAC report on which the UK Government is basing the new immigration system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, sir nige said: chlorinated chicken?......... lower welfare standards?....... lower food standards? ........ who do you claim wants this in the uk? #nobody its just another project fear story........ Just all the idiots who think the US is going to bail the UK out of the mess it's got itself into. Aren't you one of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: I am merely pointing Rog in the direction of the MAC report on which the UK Government is basing the new immigration system. the uk isn't short of workers....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 51 minutes ago, woolley said: Agree with that. (We're doing too much agreeing. There must be an x in the month.) There is absolutely no problem with Manx water at all. It is wonderful natural stuff as it falls from the sky. It's after Manx Utilities get their hands on it and give it a damn good thrashing it takes on problems. I thought there was an issue about cadmium and lead being washed down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, P.K. said: Just all the idiots who think the US is going to bail the UK out of the mess it's got itself into. Aren't you one of them? the uk hasn't got itself into a mess that would be the eu........ the same eu that was going to let chlorinated chicken in under its deal with the usa...... the uk doesn't need a deal with the usa or eu....... if bj is a populist as you lot claim why would he do something that is universally unpopular....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 51 minutes ago, sir nige said: if bj is a populist as you lot claim why would he do something that is universally unpopular....... Translation please. Manglish is difficult after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 52 minutes ago, sir nige said: the uk hasn't got itself into a mess that would be the eu........ the same eu that was going to let chlorinated chicken in under its deal with the usa...... Link thingy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 13 hours ago, TheTeapot said: Oh come on, it isn't just another project fear story. It's about animal welfare standards... I'm referring to the consumption not production. Who thinks about the welfare of hens whilst they're tucking into Sunday lunch, KFC, etc..? Not many I'd imagine. Their only thought might be that chlorinated chicken would be harmful if consumed. When the matter was first came to light in the media, the emphasis was on the consumption and not welfare. That's what I mean about the project fear bit. Many people believe because of the spin that it's the chlorine that's harmful when it's not. If more people knew how bad the welfare of farmed hens was, they'd probably never eat chicken again. In the US, EU, UK, the welfare of the hens, and other animals is atrocious, they're as bad as each other; the hormones, antibiotics, feed (BSE, for instance). It's profit that matters to the producers. If it comes about that chlorinated chicken enters the food chain consumers will be able to choose whether to purchase it or not, the consumption of it won't be mandatory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 7 hours ago, quilp said: If it comes about that chlorinated chicken enters the food chain consumers will be able to choose whether to purchase it or not, the consumption of it won't be mandatory. I don't know about that man. Schools, hospitals, prisons and the like will always look to cut costs over anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 13 hours ago, manxman1980 said: I am merely pointing Rog in the direction of the MAC report on which the UK Government is basing the new immigration system. It is a advisory document only that is one of many and certainly is nothing more than that. Decisions on how to deal with immigration are a political matter decided on by HMG which means the decisions reached in cabinet and that reflect what our government want to do and will do, not what a bunch of unelected civil servants believe is the "correct" thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Rog said: It is a advisory document only that is one of many and certainly is nothing more than that. Decisions on how to deal with immigration are a political matter decided on by HMG which means the decisions reached in cabinet and that reflect what our government want to do and will do, not what a bunch of unelected civil servants believe is the "correct" thing to do. Unfortunately what this government wants to do and what's best for the country are not necessarily the same. Which is the problem with populist rubbish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, P.K. said: Unfortunately what this government wants to do and what's best for the country are not necessarily the same. Which is the problem with populist rubbish. Populist politics is about delivering to the population what the majority of the population want. The majority of the population have returned to the UK Parliment the party who offered, and are delivering what the majority of the population decided that they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
display name Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, P.K. said: Translation please. Manglish is difficult after all. Could be worse,could have been a womanx Edited February 26, 2020 by display name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Rog said: Populist politics is about delivering to the population what the majority of the population want. The majority of the population have returned to the UK Parliment the party who offered, and are delivering what the majority of the population decided that they want. Do we really have to go around this BS again? The majority of the UK population voted for other parties. The Tory Government won due to the first past the post voting system and therefore in accordance with UK election rules, however, that does not mean that th emajority of the UK population wanted them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Do we really have to go around this BS again? The majority of the UK population voted for other parties. The Tory Government won due to the first past the post voting system and therefore in accordance with UK election rules, however, that does not mean that th emajority of the UK population wanted them. The fact that the vote was split across other parties does not mean that the party that received most votes out of all votes cast is not representative of the majority wishes of the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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