Rog Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, P.K. said: This is one of the problems - lack of decent info. Johnson has set it up so there will be no debate in the HoC on "progress" or whatever you care to call it. Except for the odd flurry at PMQ's and drip-feeding what they want you to hear by totally untrustworthy greasy shysters like Gove. The sensible option is don't believe a word of it. The BBC license fee has been put front and centre to make them tone everything down. Can't fault the logic. Which leaves the UK rabid right wing press, which is to say pretty much all of it. At the behest of the owner they have been running down the EU for years and years. But since the referendum they seem to have slipped into reporting on an alternative reality where everything is amazingly wonderful, presumably to keep the hard of thinking on side while they can. A classic example the other day. One of them reported an EU official saying: "No one can stop Britain..." inferring that everything will be wonderful in 2021. What he actually said was "No one can stop Britain going off a cliff....!" which has just slightly different connotations as I'm sure you'll agree... As I said, reporting on an "alternative reality" - so who to believe? The piece I quoted on the "oven ready deal" nonsense, which nobody sensible should have believed anyway, came from the Independent. I'm OK with that... It's not "Right Wing Press". We really don't have any MSM that's "Right Wing" though IMO The Sun newspaper is somewhat sensationalist and very "lo-brow". What we do have are a couple of newspapers that address and reflect box populi that really get up the snout of remoaners but since the remoaners are the minority where the BREXIT referendum is concerned that's just a case of tough tittie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Rog said: It's not "Right Wing Press". We really don't have any MSM that's "Right Wing" though IMO The Sun newspaper is somewhat sensationalist and very "lo-brow". What we do have are a couple of newspapers that address and reflect box populi that really get up the snout of remoaners but since the remoaners are the minority where the BREXIT referendum is concerned that's just a case of tough tittie. No Roger. What you mean is we don't have any MSM that's right wing enough for you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, P.K. said: The piece I quoted on the "oven ready deal" nonsense, which nobody sensible should have believed anyway, came from the Independent. I'm OK with that... I'm sure that you are OK with it. Unfortunately, this doesn't alter the fact that it's wrong. As you say - lack of decent information. The "oven ready" deal was the WA that BJ slightly amended from TM's earlier version and then put to Parliament which promptly played right into his hands by voting it down and agreeing to the election. He then led the campaign referring relentlessly to this "oven ready" Brexit deal that he needed a majority to get through Parliament. He won and it went through. That's all there is to the "oven ready" deal chapter. It matters not that some journo wants to stretch the meaning beyond what it was. It cannot alter the facts. As your article says, the "oven ready" deal is no more. Of course it is no more, because the WA has done its job and the UK is out of the EU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, P.K. said: No Roger. What you mean is we don't have any MSM that's right wing enough for you.... Few people would know really right wing media if it bit them on the arse. The real cause for concern is the oh so plausible socialist crap or the totally impractical idealistic rubbish so beloved by wannabe intellectuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 14 hours ago, mojomonkey said: Where is he? He hasn't been seen for days. he gave a interview yesterday....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, P.K. said: This is one of the problems - lack of decent info. Johnson has set it up so there will be no debate in the HoC on "progress" or whatever you care to call it. Except for the odd flurry at PMQ's and drip-feeding what they want you to hear by totally untrustworthy greasy shysters like Gove. The sensible option is don't believe a word of it. The BBC license fee has been put front and centre to make them tone everything down. Can't fault the logic. Which leaves the UK rabid right wing press, which is to say pretty much all of it. At the behest of the owner they have been running down the EU for years and years. But since the referendum they seem to have slipped into reporting on an alternative reality where everything is amazingly wonderful, presumably to keep the hard of thinking on side while they can. A classic example the other day. One of them reported an EU official saying: "No one can stop Britain..." inferring that everything will be wonderful in 2021. What he actually said was "No one can stop Britain going off a cliff....!" which has just slightly different connotations as I'm sure you'll agree... As I said, reporting on an "alternative reality" - so who to believe? The piece I quoted on the "oven ready deal" nonsense, which nobody sensible should have believed anyway, came from the Independent. I'm OK with that... madron and merkel saying the uk will do better outside the eu........ or the eu openly admitting that the eu damages growth with its daft rules...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 43 minutes ago, sir nige said: madron and merkel saying the uk will do better outside the eu........ or the eu openly admitting that the eu damages growth with its daft rules...... Even that POS Blair is now admitting that the EU has been bad news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Rog said: Few people would know really right wing media if it bit them on the arse. The real cause for concern is the oh so plausible socialist crap or the totally impractical idealistic rubbish so beloved by wannabe intellectuals. The real concern for me is the global rise of populism where mendacious self-serving politicos have no qualms whatsoever about lying to their electorate. It's particularly bad when the usual checks and balances, like decent media outlets, not only fail to expose them for what they are but actually build on their lies. The problem being lies do not fix complex problems and never will... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, woolley said: I'm sure that you are OK with it. Unfortunately, this doesn't alter the fact that it's wrong. As you say - lack of decent information. The "oven ready" deal was the WA that BJ slightly amended from TM's earlier version and then put to Parliament which promptly played right into his hands by voting it down and agreeing to the election. He then led the campaign referring relentlessly to this "oven ready" Brexit deal that he needed a majority to get through Parliament. He won and it went through. That's all there is to the "oven ready" deal chapter. It matters not that some journo wants to stretch the meaning beyond what it was. It cannot alter the facts. As your article says, the "oven ready" deal is no more. Of course it is no more, because the WA has done its job and the UK is out of the EU. Mea Culpa. (probably) Although I never believe the nonsense Johnson comes out with anyway... Edited February 29, 2020 by P.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, sir nige said: he gave a interview yesterday....... Where from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, P.K. said: Mea Culpa. Thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Turkey says thousands of migrants have crossed to EU https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51687160 tick tock....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, P.K. said: Where from? sat next to matt...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, sir nige said: Turkey says thousands of migrants have crossed to EU https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51687160 tick tock....... As long as they are now safe, especially the children, is the ONLY thing that should concern one.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Just now, sir nige said: sat next to matt...... Duck, dive, bob and weave Johnson will remain a totally amoral narcissistic serial philanderer and inveterate liar. By all means you put your trust in him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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