manxman1980 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, woolley said: He was following the scientific advice. That's all there is to it. It isn't a one man show. The scientific advice has been evolving and it now appears that there was a lack of evidence that herd immunity would work. My biggest gripe with the Government is that we could all see what was happening in China in January and yet the Government just went about business as usual. It was only as the other European nations started to respond that the Government even seemed to acknowledge COVID-19. The Government made no attempt to stop flights to China. It was the Chinese and the carriers that enforced that. We have constantly been one step behind. The UK and Isle of Man as Island nations could have simply shut the borders and only allowed non-UK residents to leave and UK residents to return home but subject to an enforced quarantine. Goods could have been imported/exported with additional controls and unaccompanied where practical. It may have got here eventually even with those measures but it may have delayed it long enough for a vaccine to become available. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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woolley Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 hours ago, mojomonkey said: FFS, you're all constantly trolling each other, just stop rising to it. I think if we do that we could cut the content of the internet by 90%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, woolley said: I think if we do that we could cut the content of the internet by 90%. There is a funny side to this though. One venue for the annual fishing trip with the chaps is Boston. The most Leave town in the UK. But their prosperity is built on cheap agricultural labour mostly from Eastern Europe. The thing is will the locals deign to step in and take up the slack? I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, P.K. said: There is a funny side to this though. One venue for the annual fishing trip with the chaps is Boston. The most Leave town in the UK. But their prosperity is built on cheap agricultural labour mostly from Eastern Europe. The thing is will the locals deign to step in and take up the slack? I doubt it. Make their tax payer funded Benefits dependant on it and the choice will become theirs. Those that will not work should not eat. I'm certainly not a Christian but the words in 2 Thessalonians 3:10 are very appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, P.K. said: Boston. The most Leave town in the UK. But their prosperity is built on cheap agricultural labour mostly from Eastern Europe. 49 minutes ago, Rog said: Make their tax payer funded Benefits dependant on it and the choice will become theirs. Those that will not work should not eat. I'm certainly not a Christian but the words in 2 Thessalonians 3:10 are very appropriate. I don't know Boston at all. Are the UK nationals living in the area wealthy or living on benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: I don't know Boston at all. Are the UK nationals living in the area wealthy or living on benefits? It's sorta mixed and changing. If indigenous UK nationals are used as a basis (which should always be the case) then most are A/B and C1 then that is a bit lower than the English average a bit less wealthy but with the exceptionally high immigrant population the overall picture is one of the population being very dependent on hard working tax payers money. The picture is rapidly changing though with a great many immigrants of varying legitimacy now leaving especially as the UK immigration police concentrating on draining the low hanging fruit of the swamp together with so many leaving the UK before being kicked out. But it's not just Boston or local can work won't work types who should be compelled to work, it's those from across the UK. If immigrants can pick up work and live away from home it is entirely appropriate that can work won't work scroungers should do exactly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rog said: It's sorta mixed and changing. If indigenous UK nationals are used as a basis (which should always be the case) then most are A/B and C1 then that is a bit lower than the English average a bit less wealthy but with the exceptionally high immigrant population the overall picture is one of the population being very dependent on hard working tax payers money. The picture is rapidly changing though with a great many immigrants of varying legitimacy now leaving especially as the UK immigration police concentrating on draining the low hanging fruit of the swamp together with so many leaving the UK before being kicked out. But it's not just Boston or local can work won't work types who should be compelled to work, it's those from across the UK. If immigrants can pick up work and live away from home it is entirely appropriate that can work won't work scroungers should do exactly the same. Do fruit trees grow in swamps in the UK? Dear me, work or starve. Somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan.... Like a lot of Eastern England there are lots of retired folks there because land is cheap making bungleholes more affordable. It's also flat, dull and boring.... The fishing is ok though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 40 minutes ago, Rog said: It's sorta mixed and changing. If indigenous UK nationals are used as a basis (which should always be the case) then most are A/B and C1 then that is a bit lower than the English average a bit less wealthy but with the exceptionally high immigrant population the overall picture is one of the population being very dependent on hard working tax payers money. The picture is rapidly changing though with a great many immigrants of varying legitimacy now leaving especially as the UK immigration police concentrating on draining the low hanging fruit of the swamp together with so many leaving the UK before being kicked out. But it's not just Boston or local can work won't work types who should be compelled to work, it's those from across the UK. If immigrants can pick up work and live away from home it is entirely appropriate that can work won't work scroungers should do exactly the same. So most UK nationals in the area are unlikely to take up jobs that would fall into C2/D? Please ignore the immigrants as we all know what your views are there. My question is based on whether there is the local UK workforce to fill the gap around Boston? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: So most UK nationals in the area are unlikely to take up jobs that would fall into C2/D? Please ignore the immigrants as we all know what your views are there. My question is based on whether there is the local UK workforce to fill the gap around Boston? But it shouldn't be restricted to just a single part of England, it should be country side. If there's work to be done in (say) Bognor Regis and unemployed who can do that work in (say) Newcastle on Tyne then the person out of work in Newcastle should be compelled to travel and take that work if he - or she - is competent to do so.. If some creature who has been using the ridiculous "freedom of movement" garbage which was morphed into open borders can schlep across Europe and do so then so can and should the lard-arsed Sofa Jockey in Newcastle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rog said: But it shouldn't be restricted to just a single part of England, it should be country side. If there's work to be done in (say) Bognor Regis and unemployed who can do that work in (say) Newcastle on Tyne then the person out of work in Newcastle should be compelled to travel and take that work if he - or she - is competent to do so.. If some creature who has been using the ridiculous "freedom of movement" garbage which was morphed into open borders can schlep across Europe and do so then so can and should the lard-arsed Sofa Jockey in Newcastle. Hang on... Who is going to pay to take the "lard-arsed Sofa Jockey" from Newcastle to Bognor Regis? What about the "lard-arsed Sofa Jockey's" immediate family and dependents? Going to move them as well? You really don't think things through. By the way I dare you to tell a geordie that they are a "lard-arsed sofa jockey". You might be in need of that private medical care of yours soon after.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Simple Wanker-Check. Voted Brexit ✔️ Still Drinking in Pubs ✔️ Has bog roll under the bed ✔️ Loves WTO Rules ✔️ Hates WHO Rules ✔️ Still believes in ‘herd immunity’✔️ Still take any notice at all of what Tim Martin, Nigel Farage, Katie Hopkins, Piers Morgan or other well known wankers have to say on any subject, nevermind on a global pandemic ✔️ 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 6 hours ago, P.K. said: Like a lot of Eastern England there are lots of retired folks there because land is cheap making bungleholes more affordable. It's also flat, dull and boring.... Bloody cold when the wind blows from Siberia too, which it frequently does. As the ad used to go, Skeggy is most definitely "bracing". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 15 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Hang on... Who is going to pay to take the "lard-arsed Sofa Jockey" from Newcastle to Bognor Regis? What about the "lard-arsed Sofa Jockey's" immediate family and dependents? Going to move them as well? You really don't think things through. By the way I dare you to tell a geordie that they are a "lard-arsed sofa jockey". You might be in need of that private medical care of yours soon after.... A travel warrant could be provided for the person traveling to the job NOT CASH and maybe paid for in part by the employer but as regards family - why should they travel with him/her? Families very seldom accompany (particularly) agriculture workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Rog said: A travel warrant could be provided for the person traveling to the job NOT CASH and maybe paid for in part by the employer but as regards family - why should they travel with him/her? Families very seldom accompany (particularly) agriculture workers. Because families often support each other by taking care of children? Why should an employer pay for accommodation when they are not the one insisting that the employee moves? As for the EU workers not bringing families aren't you undermining your own argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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