So the UK is finished says Theresa Mayhem

[Non-Believer]

Nissan reporting that the Brexit trade terms will allow them to build/procure cheaper batteries for their electric Leaf range, securing 6000 jobs at the Sunderland Plant. Boris Johnson seizes on this news.

[Max Power]

From Richard Murphy's twitter page...

The suggestion has just been put on my blog that if Scotland and Northern Ireland were to become independent then the rump of the UK might, in the way that happened with the Former Yugoslavia, become the Former UK, or FUK, with its citizens then becoming the Fukkers.

[doc.fixit]

If the UK ceases to exist there can't be a former UK 'cos it will revert to the individual nations? Just realised that Wales wasn't included..............ok, if Wales became independant too then there wouldn't be a former UK.......ah, what the hell, I don't care anyway. 

I'll just go back to dreamin' in front of the fire!

Edited January 23, 2021 by doc.fixit

[Non-Believer]

UK Federation? As USSR became Russian Federation?

[Freggyragh]

On 1/23/2021 at 2:05 PM, Non-Believer said:

Nissan reporting that the Brexit trade terms will allow them to build/procure cheaper batteries for their electric Leaf range, securing 6000 jobs at the Sunderland Plant. Boris Johnson seizes on this news.

 

On 1/23/2021 at 2:05 PM, Non-Believer said:

Nissan reporting that the Brexit trade terms will allow them to build/procure cheaper batteries for their electric Leaf range, securing 6000 jobs at the Sunderland Plant. Boris Johnson seizes on this news.

Yes, that required an £80M bung to Nissan to enable them to use batteries made in Britain by Chinese company Envision. It's not a massive bung, and they would probably have got it anyway. But it isn't a win. It's an 'as was'. What about the rest of manufacturing? 

[Freggyragh]

The thing I'm most looking forward to when Scotland leaves is Arlene Foster, born and bred in Ireland, insisting she is not Irish, but English and Welsh. 

[Max Power]

 

[manxman1980]

@Max Power I still prefer this one..

 

[Max Power]

As the hard border reignites trouble in NI....

 

[manxman1980]

Here is an open letter to Boris Johnson from Patrick Keilty written on Twitter in September 2018.  It has aged much better than any of Boris Johnson's lies:

 

Dear Boris Johnson

 

There is no ‘better Brexit’ when it comes to the Good Friday Agreement and Northern Ireland.  As you still seem bamboozled by all this Paddywackery here’s a few pointers for your next stab in the dark -

 

1. Northern Ireland is made up of a majority of Unionists (as in the Conservative and Unionist Party) and, believe it or not, a rather large minority of Nationalists (as in Irish Nationalists)

 

2. These Irish Nationalists don’t see themselves as British but rather inconveniently as Irish (who knew?)

 

3. For over 30 years we killed each other because of these differences which means Northern Ireland is nothing like Camden or Westminster.

 

4. The Good Friday Agreement ended that violence by the following devious magic -

Unionists were guaranteed that Northern Ireland would be part of the UK until the majority voted otherwise.

The Irish border was removed and the island linked so Nationalists could pretend they were already living in a United Ireland (yes, Tony Blair did slight of hand much better than you)

 

5. Some of these Nationalists then accepted being part of the UK as their day to day lives were essentially Irish.

 

6. This cunning plan was sold to us on the basis that we were all part of the EU therefore fixation on nationality was so last World War.

 

7. Implementing the Good Friday Agreement was torturous (think Brexit with actual bombs, not metaphorical suicide vests) but we finally made peace. Yet 20 years later NI remains a divided society.

 

8. Thanks to your glorious Brexit vision Northern Ireland will become more divided as some form of economic border checks will become part of daily lives.

 

9. If those checks take place between NI and Ireland, the Nationalists who were once happy being part of the UK will change their mind.

 

10. If they take place in the Irish Sea some Unionists will be livid. However they'll still support being part of the UK (the clue is in the Unionist bit)

 

11. Your Brexit lies have opened a Pandora’s box for Northern Ireland. It's one reason why the majority of people in NI voted to remain in the EU (almost as if they knew more about the fragile equilibrium of their politics than you)

 

12. Barely mentioned before Brexit, a border poll is now inevitable thanks to your monumental ignorance.

 

13. When that poll is eventually held the Nationalists who were once content being part of a Northern Ireland within the UK and EU will vote to leave the UK to feel as Irish and European as they did before Brexit.

 

14. The poll will be much closer thanks to your Brexit folly and could easily be lost by Unionists, breaking up the UK.

 

15. Any break up of the Union will be your fault (a tad inconvenient as a member of the Conservative and er, Unionist party)

 

16. The EU is not responsible for your blundering lack of foresight. Like most people in Northern Ireland they were happy with the status quo.

 

17. By the time the penny drops that you can’t preserve the Union you want without the one you don’t, it will be too late.

 

18. You will be remembered not as the Churchillian visionary you delude yourself to be but the ignoramus who triggered the break up of the UK.

 

19. If there’s any justice all this will come to pass when you're Prime Minister so you can finally swim in the constitutional sewage you've created (though we all know you’ll be in Nice with your trotters up)

 

20. Meantime, if you’re so concerned about keeping Northern Ireland totally aligned with the rest of the UK where’s your support for our same sex marriage and women’s right to choose? Your silence is deafening.

[John Wright]

Well, Brexit bites again. I’ve a classic car down in Spain. Parts not readily available. So I ordered from the marque specialist in the UK. Direct delivery to my mechanic in Spain.

Parts ( steering rack and fitting kit and 2 window motors ) £600 plus p&p plus £200 deposit to ensure I return the old steering rack so they can rebuild for the next customer. I got VAT knocked off, so that was £500. Ive just been charged €300 in import duty and IVA.

The return will cost £50. And I’ll have to pay VAT on the value of the returned part, which is £200. 

The paperwork nearly stopped my mechanic in his tracks.

No paperwork or duty or VAT on import previously.

[manxman1980]

The comments on this article are interesting... Sorry it is the Wail but the comments section on there is normally totally anti-EU regardless of what nonsense is written.  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9451163/EU-fanned-flames-division-Northern-Ireland-says-historian-RUTH-DUDLEY-EDWARDS.html

[John Wright]

28 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

The comments on this article are interesting... Sorry it is the Wail but the comments section on there is normally totally anti-EU regardless of what nonsense is written.  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9451163/EU-fanned-flames-division-Northern-Ireland-says-historian-RUTH-DUDLEY-EDWARDS.html

But that ignores the two incontrovertible facts.

1. UK didn’t have to leave.

2. The UK chose to become a third country.

Once that is understood these anti EU allegations of intransigence fall away. Where else does the EU have a land border with trusted trader or special schemes? Why should it go the extra mile for the UK that wanted out?

All the EU intransigence allegations reveal is a UK that didn’t understand that Out means Out meant no special privileges.

I did read some of the comments. The level of illiteracy is at FB levels.

[manxman1980]

29 minutes ago, John Wright said:

But that ignores the two incontrovertible facts.

1. UK didn’t have to leave.  Agreed

2. The UK chose to become a third country.  Agreed

Once that is understood these anti EU allegations of intransigence fall away. Where else does the EU have a land border with trusted trader or special schemes? Why should it go the extra mile for the UK that wanted out? Can't argue with you there.  Switzerland seems to be the example everyone gives but there is a border and trade agreement...

All the EU intransigence allegations reveal is a UK that didn’t understand that Out means Out meant no special privileges.  Amazing isn't it?  It's not as if the UK weren't warned what the implications of leaving the single market would be.

I did read some of the comments. The level of illiteracy is at FB levels.  

What I find interesting about the comments, once deciphered, is that a lot of them are actually making the same points you have.  That is pretty remarkable for comments on the DM where most people are absolutely in support of Brexit and for some godforsaken reason Johnson and his Government.  If the Mail readers are starting to spot the truth maybe others will soon. 

[John Wright]

8 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

What I find interesting about the comments, once deciphered, is that a lot of them are actually making the same points you have.  That is pretty remarkable for comments on the DM where most people are absolutely in support of Brexit and for some godforsaken reason Johnson and his Government.  If the Mail readers are starting to spot the truth maybe others will soon. 

And of course, as well as being within the single market, Switzerland  is within Schengen and has freedom of movement, both ways.