P.K. Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: It is completely wrong to suggest all brexit voters are thick as pigshit little englanders (not my phrase). Many of my well educated/experienced friends voted out for very sound reasons and did consider issues properly. It has to be said trhough that a few have done a 180 on their vote a year last June based on evidence that was not available at the vote and it f.ing well should have been. If you're going to plagiarise someone you could at least spend some time researching their work! You forgot the Daily Wail reading bit old chap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, woolley said: It's about sovereignty and self-determination but yes, there are economic opportunities too. I'm calling complete bollox on the so-called "sovoreignty" issue. Read it all, if you dare: https://www.chathamhouse.org/publication/britain-eu-and-sovereignty-myth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 @ ballaughbiker: I would contend that if your learned friends have done a 180 on their decision since last June, they are not THAT well educated, nor staunch in their convictions. Also, there has been no evidence mounting that we have shot ourselves in the foot other than the constant whingeing of the remain side amplified by the liberal media and the machinations of the EU itself. We actually need to get there and get busy before running back into the cave screaming. The lily-livered attitude of people who see the EU bizarrely as some kind of nurturing nanny is truly appalling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 BBiker: There's been quite a few people who have done a 180 on wanting to stay in who have now gone "Well, fuck the EU if they're going to be like that" too. But on the island it doesn't really matter as we don't get a damn vote I see the poor pound against the Euro and I don't see any EU crisis occurring soon that isn't already occurring (large amounts of terrorism due mass migration) so I can completely understand why no one would bet on Britain right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 51 minutes ago, P.K. said: If you're going to plagiarise someone you could at least spend some time researching their work! You forgot the Daily Wail reading bit old chap. I was going to query whether he'd paid royalties on that. I take it he hadn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 50 minutes ago, P.K. said: I'm calling complete bollox on the so-called "sovoreignty" issue. Read it all, if you dare: https://www.chathamhouse.org/publication/britain-eu-and-sovereignty-myth Totally disagree with that point of view. If we don't get out now we will lose the right to until the whole edifice collapses in an unholy mess. Just thank your lucky stars the horrendous Blair didn't get us into the euro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, woolley said: Totally disagree with that point of view. If we don't get out now we will lose the right to until the whole edifice collapses in an unholy mess. Just thank your lucky stars the horrendous Blair didn't get us into the euro. Did you think to email them and give them the weight of your knowledge and experience Oh Oracle of the Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Did you think to email them and give them the weight of your knowledge and experience Oh Oracle of the Brexit? No point. Their minds are closed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkle Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, P.K. said: I'm calling complete bollox on the so-called "sovoreignty" issue. Read it all, if you dare: https://www.chathamhouse.org/publication/britain-eu-and-sovereignty-myth A neolib publication through and through by a totally europhile nutter. Edited September 8, 2017 by twinkle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, woolley said: No point. Their minds are closed. Because their (much longer and more intricate) views differ to yours (which are pretty inflexible on this issue)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, twinkle said: ...nutter. High praise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, P.K. said: I'm calling complete bollox on the so-called "sovoreignty" issue. Read it all, if you dare: https://www.chathamhouse.org/publication/britain-eu-and-sovereignty-myth 40 minutes ago, woolley said: Totally disagree with that point of view. If we don't get out now we will lose the right to until the whole edifice collapses in an unholy mess. Just thank your lucky stars the horrendous Blair didn't get us into the euro. My my, bearing in mind the above the post below is just laced with irony: 22 minutes ago, woolley said: No point. Their minds are closed. A liberal, of course, would give all sides due consideration. After all that is one of their strengths... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, P.K. said: A liberal, of course, would give all sides due consideration. After all that is one of their strengths... Yep. And then make the most ludicrous decision possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said: Because their (much longer and more intricate) views differ to yours (which are pretty inflexible on this issue)? Makes no difference how long and intricate their experience with closed minds. Edited September 8, 2017 by woolley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 45 minutes ago, P.K. said: A liberal, of course, would give all sides due consideration. After all that is one of their strengths... Would that be 'liberals' who regard those who voted to leave as "thick as ..... etc etc ", perhaps a minority of whom would regard folk like you as siding with a bunch of "Cheese eating surrender monkeys". Slagging folk off because they hold a contrary view really isn't the way to engage in an adult discussion in my view. just saying 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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