woolley Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 minute ago, ballaughbiker said: The workers at Bombardier will be 'comforted' to know that they now have proof on how the USA and no doubt other worldwide markets will look after us once we are released from the EU shackles. EU membership doesn't appear to have assuaged the Bombardier situation thus far........... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: The workers at Bombardier will be 'comforted' to know that they now have proof on how the USA and no doubt other worldwide markets will look after us once we are released from the EU shackles. I was waiting for someone to mention this. It does show you're a dumb dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Tarne said: I was waiting for someone to mention this. It does show you're a dumb dumb On your lunch break? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 "The US Department of Commerce decided Bombardier aircraft, built in Northern Ireland, should be subject to 219 per cent import duty after the American aviation giant Boeing complained that Bombardier had been given unfair state aid." "The Government responded by warning that Boeing’s behaviour “could jeopardise” future Ministry of Defence contracts for its aircraft such as Apache helicopters. The Prime Minister has appealed directly to President Donald Trump to intervene in the dispute, which has dented her hopes of signing a post-Brexit free trade deal with the US." "The escalating row has also put the Conservatives’ relationship with the DUP under strain, as Bombardier employs more than 4,000 people at its Belfast factories." Yeap, smooth as silk this Brexit thing so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Except it has nothing to do with Brexit seeing as it has arisen during the UK's membership of the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, woolley said: Except it has nothing to do with Brexit seeing as it has arisen during the UK's membership of the EU. It has everything to do with Brexit. Part of the Brexit "promise package" was "it'll be okay, we'll just make sweet trade deals with the US". And now that is looking shakey... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: It has everything to do with Brexit. Part of the Brexit "promise package" was "it'll be okay, we'll just make sweet trade deals with the US". And now that is looking shakey... Therefore the effect is neutral. At least outside we are not hogtied to how Brussels believes we we should trade and with whom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Just now, woolley said: Therefore the effect is neutral. So you have gone from "everything will be amazing" to "at least its not got worse"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Quote It does show you're a dumb dumb I'd be disinclined to rely on that diagnosis...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) To take such a jump into the unknown we generally need things to get better. There appears to little evidence atm that will be the case in fact the reverse is getting more and more evident. Any good news apart from Aldi wanting to take more of our money? Ignoring such data and running off with your fingers in your ears singing la la la will not help. However to allege the US response has no connection with brexit its laughable. Brexit clearly did not cause it but it is a neat illustration of potential trading partners putting themselves first which will be the case post brexit innit it? Quelle surprise... Edited September 28, 2017 by ballaughbiker add a word 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said: So you have gone from "everything will be amazing" to "at least its not got worse"... No. Only on that one aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: To take such a jump into the unknown we generally need things get better. There appears to little evidence atm that will be the case in fact the reverse is getting more and more evident. Any good news apart from Aldi wanting to take our money? Ignoring such data and running off with your fingers in your ears singing la la la will not help. However to allege the US response has no connection with brexit its laughable. Brexit clearly did not cause it but it is a neat illustration of potential trading partners putting themselves first which will be the case post brexit innit it? Quelle surprise... Of course countries put themselves first. They always have and that's how it should be. And here we go again about the "jump into the unknown". The future of the EU is the epitome of a jump into the unknown. Look at what is happening all around it. Edited September 28, 2017 by woolley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 2 hours ago, ballaughbiker said: To take such a jump into the unknown we generally need things get better. There appears to little evidence atm that will be the case in fact the reverse is getting more and more evident. Any good news apart from Aldi wanting to take our money? Ignoring such data and running off with your fingers in your ears singing la la la will not help. However to allege the US response has no connection with brexit its laughable. Brexit clearly did not cause it but it is a neat illustration of potential trading partners putting themselves first which will be the case post brexit innit it? Quelle surprise... and been in the eu made no difference, although this isn't a done deal yet, boeing don't make c-class planes so have suffered no loss..... what the eu do should be interesting, my guess is nothing, shows how pointless membership of the eu is..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Quote The future of the EU is the epitome of a jump into the unknown. Look at what is happening all around it. False equivalence. Whilst you could say the future of anything is unknown, you have a * site more idea based on 40+ years experience than something based on no experience. Experience of any situation prior to the 70s = no experience. Quote Of course countries put themselves first. They always have and that's how it should be. At last! So any fuzzy warm feeling described in your many posts extolling the virtues of dealing with the big world market and all the guff Trump came out with about giving us new business opportunities now read rather differently. (I think most of us immediately recognised it was guff anyway) Of course if we are dealing with the likes of the US/ Russia/China, the playing field of self interest is hardly level now we are going to be on our own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Quote and been in the eu made no difference, although this isn't a done deal yet, boeing don't make c-class planes so have suffered no loss..... Indeed but that's not the point that was being made is it? Quote what the eu do should be interesting, my guess is nothing, shows how pointless membership of the eu is..... Why on earth should they be seen to help a country that (by that huge 'democratic' margin) has told them to "stick it"? Would you? Edit: 1.6 million trucks*/21.3 million tonnes freight just through the tunnel in 2016 (highest ever recorded) and that does not include freight trains.... Yep, pointless EU woody. All that business on our doorstep yet we want to trade with countries thousands of miles away. *25 million trucks/320 million tonnes of freight since it opened in 1994 Edited September 28, 2017 by ballaughbiker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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