woody2 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 so whats your point there is going to be a vote..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 On 29/10/2017 at 6:33 AM, woody2 said: so whats your point there is going to be a vote..... "Seema Malhotra: The vote of Parliament could be after March 2019. Mr Davis: It could be, yes. It could be. It depends when it concludes. Seema Malhotra: Sorry, the vote of our Parliament, the UK Parliament, could be after March 2019. Mr Davis: Yes, it could be. It could be. It cannot come before we have the deal." My point is that Parliament may only have a vote after the deadline for Brexit has passed and after a deal has been agreed. I appreciate that Davis says that it will then go back to the European Parliament, however, this is pretty much a dead rubber of a vote surely? Basically, the UK Parliament will have a choice to exit with whatever deal Davis and his team agree or walk away without a deal. To my mind that is not much of a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 so you are missing the point- uk is leaving regardless of any deal or no deal, that vote has already taken place voting for art50, they could withdraw art50 or extend talk but i don't see that happening..... the deal or no deal is a separate matter..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Seems increasingly possible that this govt is going to be gone long before Brexit Woody. And if there is another election I would very much doubt that the middle-of-the-road majority electorate will give the Conservatives another chance. I think we are looking at a left wing Labour govt. Thanks mostly to UKIP and the Tory right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 maybe or they may have to wait till 2022.... its not the tories people are voting for, but to keep labour out..... thankfully many younger voters has seen from the last election that labour are lying gits with the u-turn over tuition fees and student debts..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 FFS! Government refuses to release details of studies into economic impact of Brexit Department for Exiting the EU refuses to respond to Labour MP’s request to see work on 58 sectors of the economy, saying it needs a ‘safe space’ for negotiations Story: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/30/government-refuses-to-release-details-of-studies-into-economic-impact-of-brexit Now it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that if the reports showed a booming post-brexit UK then they would be waving them under Barnier's nose to strengthen their bargaining position. So I guess the reports show something different. Still, there is some good news: Eurozone outpaces UK with fastest growth since 2011 – business live https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/oct/31/eurozone-gdp-growth-france-unemployment-inflation Well, good news for some folks anyway.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 #fakenews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, P.K. said: FFS! Government refuses to release details of studies into economic impact of Brexit Department for Exiting the EU refuses to respond to Labour MP’s request to see work on 58 sectors of the economy, saying it needs a ‘safe space’ for negotiations Story: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/30/government-refuses-to-release-details-of-studies-into-economic-impact-of-brexit Now it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that if the reports showed a booming post-brexit UK then they would be waving them under Barnier's nose to strengthen their bargaining position. So I guess the reports show something different. Still, there is some good news: Eurozone outpaces UK with fastest growth since 2011 – business live https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/oct/31/eurozone-gdp-growth-france-unemployment-inflation Well, good news for some folks anyway.... Quite right too to refuse to release. All of this "work" will have been done by the same brooding constituency of remainers who will have put the most negative take on absolutely everything. You don't even need to see it really to know what's there. So why give the other side more ammunition to grind you down with? Crazy notion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Errrr so Juncker, Barnier et al won't know about the refusal to release the information...? So that's all right then! Of course The Woolster knows all about the Stay / Leave orientation of the researchers. Yes. Indeedy. There's an air of desperation creeping in....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 only from remoaners..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, P.K. said: There's an air of desperation creeping in....... This is the problem. We have so many craven people on our own side saying it that it is in danger of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. You have no basis to say this at all other than people of like mind saying it in unison. Leading the charge are the same sort of globalist visionaries who led us into the financial collapse. It's nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 So you 've read the reports....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Taking a victory and turning it into a defeat. It's a fecking shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 18 hours ago, P.K. said: So you 've read the reports....? Why would I if I have no faith in the authors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 35 minutes ago, woolley said: Why would I if I have no faith in the authors? Because you are worried you'll read something which torpedoes your staunch anti-EU/Pro-Brexit views and might find out you were in fact wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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