pongo Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 1 minute ago, quilp said: This strikes me as a slightly pompous assumption, with a bit of subliminal virtue-signalling thrown in. There is an arguable case for leaving the EU or creating greater distance. The EU probably now also understands the need for that. But the Brexit process, the way it is being done, is clearly stupid - trying to change everything just like that, all in one go. Nobody sensible would propose that. Change is something that sensible people plan and manage one idea at a time. Over many years. Anyhow - Labour has now clearly positioned itself as the soft Brexit party. In concert with a significant number of sensible Conservatives, that's a majority. So maybe we start to see some pragmatism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, woody2 said: keep up at the back john, the vote was non binding No, woody, you keep up. The motion that was voted on is binding. Read the article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 43 minutes ago, John Wright said: General Election in the offing, as Tory moderates, the Nationalists and the DUP join Labour in a vote of no confidence. The only reason the Tories didn't vote was that they knew they'd lose. still not enough votes for a GE they only reason the tories didn't vote as its non binding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Making stuff up again Woody? Like the nonsense you posted yesterday about an Early Day Motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Just now, John Wright said: No, woody, you keep up. The motion that was voted on is binding. Read the article i read the discuss last night on parliament webpage , its non binding, they are going to/have asked the queen they can publish fully redacted copies(blacked out) as its in the national interest..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 They didn't use an opposition day debate motion,and non binding, but a Humble Address motion which is binding. game, set, match Woody, and another Woody2 factoid is proved to be non true fake news 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, pongo said: Making stuff up again Woody? it was opposition day, any votes are non-binding.... the tories have just now stated that the will publish redacted copies (as i said early), no one but mp's can read them if there was anything massive in these papers it would of leaked by now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 15 minutes ago, John Wright said: They didn't use an opposition day debate motion,and non binding, but a Humble Address motion which is binding. from whats on the parliaments website, it was opposition day and the votes are non binding? the humble address i have already stated fully redacted copies can still be published..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 anna soubry "the documents should be published and could be redacted if necessary" from the debate today.... david davis said "as open as we can" and "how we handle the confidentiality of the documentation we'll hand over"= public won't know... dd again -He added that he hoped it would be done "much sooner" than the 12 weeks the government had previously indicated it would take to respond to opposition day debate motions. leadsom "But, as I think as has been made very clear, it is the case that it is difficult to balance the conflicting obligation to protect the public interest through not disclosing information that could harm the national interest and the public interest whilst at the same time ensuring that the resolution of the House passed yesterday is adhered to." if there was anything damaging the tories would of been out in force, another let down for remainiacs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) Woody. Putting this country-simple: The more redacted a thing is the worse it looks. The implication of any significant redaction is bad news. That’s the dilemma with any forced disclosure. The more black marker, the worse the case for a hard Brexit. Edited November 2, 2017 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, woody2 said: anna soubry "the documents should be published and could be redacted if necessary" from the debate today.... david davis said "as open as we can" and "how we handle the confidentiality of the documentation we'll hand over"= public won't know... dd again -He added that he hoped it would be done "much sooner" than the 12 weeks the government had previously indicated it would take to respond to opposition day debate motions. leadsom "But, as I think as has been made very clear, it is the case that it is difficult to balance the conflicting obligation to protect the public interest through not disclosing information that could harm the national interest and the public interest whilst at the same time ensuring that the resolution of the House passed yesterday is adhered to." if there was anything damaging the tories would of been out in force, another let down for remainiacs.... You are either illiterate, and if so I apologise, or in a woody2 winter wonderland of right wing fake news and denial. what was passed was NOT an opposition debate Day motion it was a Humble Address motion, passed on an opposition debate day. It's binding. And it's not The Queen who complies, it's her government. They have to publish, unredacted. The select committee decides what is released to the public. As for the decision not to oppose it's not for any reason you've come up with, its to avoid splitting the Tories and having a rebellion. The Government is running scared of its retainers. Edited November 2, 2017 by John Wright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 1 hour ago, woody2 said: the vote was non binding I am glad you finally recognise that the EU referendum vote was only an advisory vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 28 minutes ago, John Wright said: You are either illiterate, and if so I apologise, or in a woody2 winter wonderland of right wing fake news and denial. what was passed was NOT an opposition debate Day motion it was a Humble Address motion, passed on an opposition debate day. It's binding. And it's not The Queen who complies, it's her government. They have to publish, unredacted. The select committee decides what is released to the public. As for the decision not to oppose it's not for any reason you've come up with, its to avoid splitting the Tories and having a rebellion. The Government is running scared of its retainers. i'll take the word of parliament and government over yours.... i have already produced the facts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 45 minutes ago, pongo said: Woody. Putting this country-simple: The more redacted a thing is the worse it looks. The implication of any significant redaction is bad news. That’s the dilemma with any forced disclosure. The more black marker, the worse the case for a hard Brexit. well worldwar3, economic collapse the day after the vote and an emergency budget as claimed by remainers didn't change the outcome this will have zero impact.... roll on march 2019..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 21 minutes ago, Lost Login said: I am glad you finally recognise that the EU referendum vote was only an advisory vote! never said it wasn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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