woody2 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said: We've had enough of experts like you woody. sorry for been positive...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bobbie Bobster said: in which Britain is forced to trade with the rest of the EU on the most basic World Trade Organisation terms 17 minutes ago, woody2 said: as the uk already do with the rest of the world Again reinforcing the clear impression that you either haven't got a clue what you are talking about Woody, or else that you are deliberately misrepresenting the reality. The UK does not currently trade with most of the rest of world under WTO terms. That simply isn't true. It currently trades with the world beyond the EU as part of the EU. Under EU trade agreements with those non EU countries - or, where there is no full trade treaty, under layers of bilateral agreements and conditions. Yesterday you wanted to talk about insurance - that's a key market where trade with the US, for example, is covered by agreements between the EU and the US. All of which will have to be negotiated from scratch by the UK when it leaves. The EU has appx 50 full trade agreements with non EU countries - the UK currently trades under those. But trade with many other countries is affected by other agreements covering specific aspects. After Brexit: the UK will need to renegotiate at least 759 treaties - Financial Times. Liam Fox: Britain does not have capacity to strike trade deals now - Politico Edited November 30, 2017 by pongo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 54 minutes ago, Tarne said: Just out of curiosity Bobbie, you're putting what the UK might lose. In the interests of being balanced, what are the figures for what the EU might lose if it's a "no deal" brexit? Please do let us know what the results of your research into this issue are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Turns out it's about twice what Britain will lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Tarne said: Turns out it's about twice what Britain will lose. As a percentage of whose GDP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 19 minutes ago, Tarne said: Turns out it's about twice what Britain will lose. How many rolls did you do for that estimate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dup-theresa-may-tory-deal-ireland-border-brexit-irish-border-northern-ireland-a8085046.html ohhhhh dear.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) It's probably a red herring Richard. Agriculture is certainly surely key as I have been saying. But it is far more likely that the UK will promise, if only in private for now, that all of UK agriculture will continue to effectively fall under EU jurisdiction. It's going to have to anyhow if exports are to continue. The EU may not make too big a deal of it in public. Because they will know that Mrs May is also a prisoner of the Woody-wing of her own party. Edited November 30, 2017 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 4 hours ago, pongo said: Again reinforcing the clear impression that you either haven't got a clue what you are talking about Woody, or else that you are deliberately misrepresenting the reality. The UK does not currently trade with most of the rest of world under WTO terms. That simply isn't true. It currently trades with the world beyond the EU as part of the EU. Under EU trade agreements with those non EU countries - or, where there is no full trade treaty, under layers of bilateral agreements and conditions. Yesterday you wanted to talk about insurance - that's a key market where trade with the US, for example, is covered by agreements between the EU and the US. All of which will have to be negotiated from scratch by the UK when it leaves. The EU has appx 50 full trade agreements with non EU countries - the UK currently trades under those. But trade with many other countries is affected by other agreements covering specific aspects. After Brexit: the UK will need to renegotiate at least 759 treaties - Financial Times. Liam Fox: Britain does not have capacity to strike trade deals now - Politico yes it does, the uk also already has a seat there.... the fact you can't answer the irsih question show that you are talking guff...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, pongo said: It's probably a red herring Richard. Agriculture is certainly surely key as I have been saying. But it is far more likely that the UK will promise, if only in private, that all of UK agriculture will continue to effectively fall under EU jurisdiction. It's going to have to anyhow if exports are to continue. more rubbish..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 "The United Kingdom has been a WTO member since 1 January 1995 and a member of GATT since 1 January 1948." https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/countries_e/united_kingdom_e.htm #fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 So what Woody? Nobody had disputed that. Quite a different matter. Do you genuinely not understand or are you being deliberately silly for a giggle? You seem to basically be in Comical Ali territory at this point. Denying basic facts and the news etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 it gets better... “Even if insanity triumphed and we didn’t get a withdrawal agreement from the EU – that they opted to cut their nose off to spite their face – the UK and EU would still have a deal. An automatic deal under the all embracing World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules. How? Because the UK and EU are both WTO members in their own right and the WTO specifies WTO members must offer each other ‘Most Favoured Nation’ (MFN) deals.” #winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-secretary-david-davis-in-threat-to-quit-over-damian-green-porn-storm-a3707546.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 amazing how many eu universities are in the top30 in the world..... nil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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