Manximus Aururaneus Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Totally, raving socialist that Thatcher. Yup, she should have had Michael Heseltine shot for being a subversive back-stabber - she bottled it, he knifed her in the back, and he is still running around trying to subvert Brexit - should've been taken out by the 'service' decades ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Manximus Aururaneus said: Yup, she should have had Michael Heseltine shot for being a subversive back-stabber - she bottled it, he knifed her in the back, and he is still running around trying to subvert Brexit - should've been taken out by the 'service' decades ago. You must have a very odd idea about which way the Home Office and the Foreign Office tend to lean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, pongo said: You must have a very odd idea about which way the Home Office and the Foreign Office tend to lean. I have no idea, experience, or interest about the leanings of the Home Office or Foreign office. I do however have first-hand knowledge of Heseltine's 'leanings' having worked alongside him in 1984/5 in the formulation of GO / CO strategies for Nuclear deterrence re-fitting operations and later on in the Westland affair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, pongo said: Oh I fully understand that I can assure you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, woody2 said: yes facts your as daft as the irish government.... "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed" say the document yet... But the Irish government said that as far as it was concerned the agreement signed on Friday between the EU and the UK was binding. it gets better.... "The European Union will be holding the United Kingdom to account," has anyone told ireland that the eu can't take the uk to court.... #thicko Woody, why don't you just read the Joint Report for yourself, instead of following what the Brexit charlatans tell you and cutting and pasting a phrase from a sentence? In the opening remarks it actually says: Under the caveat that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, the joint commitments set out in this joint report shall be reflected in the Withdrawal Agreement in full detail. You've quoted the caveat, rather than the principle statement. With that in mind, have a little read of Section B, Article 42: The commitments and principles outlined in this joint report will not pre-determine the outcome of wider discussions on the future relationship between the European Union and the United Kingdom and are, as necessary, specific to the unique circumstances on the island of Ireland. They are made and must be upheld in all circumstances, irrespective of the nature of any future agreement between the European Union and United Kingdom. Whilst a "Joint Report on Progress" is a non-binding agreement, and not the same as a "treaty", or "agreement" (such as the "Good Friday Agreement"), it does carry significant weight, and when parties want to make it clear particular articles are non-binding they avoid terms such as “shall”, “agree”, or “undertake", and instead use terms like “should” or “intend to” or “expect to”. The idea that the UK is going to be be able to substantially alter any of its commitments under the GFA to 'take back control' is ludicrous. Reading through the document is a very sobering experience. The UK has agreed simultaneously to no hard border in Ireland, aligned regulations between NI and the Republic and maintaining the integrity of NI within the UK internal market, so the softest of soft brexits. It has also agreed that it is leaving Eurotom and will have to sort out another way to safely source radioactive isotopes for cancer treatments. The UK is going to write off its share in the European space programme. The divorce bill is to be paid in Euro. The UK will assist with the costs of relocating EU agencies and their many highly paid employees out of the country. The divorce bill will be drawn up by the European Court of Auditors, etc. etc. Apart, obviously, from bendy bananas and UK ministers having a free hand in decade or so to make laws that might diverge from ECJ rulings, is there going to be any upside to this? Please don't say trade agreements, because the only chance the UK will have of getting beneficial trade agreements in the foreseeable future are by getting 'cut and paste' agreements it would have had as EU members anyway (unlikely, but who knows), unless you believe in unicorns and the chances of Liam Fox not looking desperate when he tries to get is into markets like the US, Russia or China. Edited December 11, 2017 by Freggyragh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 7 hours ago, Manximus Aururaneus said: Yup, she should have had Michael Heseltine shot for being a subversive back-stabber - she bottled it, he knifed her in the back, and he is still running around trying to subvert Brexit - should've been taken out by the 'service' decades ago. I think what really upset the odious Thatcher creature and her cohorts was that Tarzan resigned on a point of principal - absolutely unheard of in the tory cabinet.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Freggyragh said: Apart, obviously, from bendy bananas and UK ministers having a free hand in decade or so to make laws that might diverge from ECJ rulings, is there going to be any upside to this? Please don't say trade agreements, because the only chance the UK will have of getting beneficial trade agreements in the foreseeable future are by getting 'cut and paste' agreements it would have had as EU members anyway (unlikely, but who knows), unless you believe in unicorns and the chances of Liam Fox not looking desperate when he tries to get is into markets like the US, Russia or China. What annoys me is numbers like running a UK household has gone up by £600 pa since the vote. So the Brexiteers have already reduced our standard of living. Thanks a lot.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkle Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) !! Edited December 11, 2017 by twinkle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 13 hours ago, Freggyragh said: Woody, why don't you just read the Joint Report for yourself you mean the one i posted which shows your top11 is #fakenews Brexit deal is a 'gentleman's agreement' says EU http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42303059 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 10 hours ago, P.K. said: What annoys me is numbers like running a UK household has gone up by £600 pa since the vote. So the Brexiteers have already reduced our standard of living. Thanks a lot.... my income has gone up since the vote.... #winner all the economic data shows your liar..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 56 minutes ago, woody2 said: Brexit deal is a 'gentleman's agreement' It would be dishonest not to honour it then. And no question. Even if the government were to change. As I am sure you will have to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkle Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 so the krauts cannot make their minds up,and the rest are shiting themselves. http://gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers/divisions-within-europe-out-in-the-open-1.2139092 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, twinkle said: so the krauts cannot make their minds up,and the rest are shiting themselves. http://gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers/divisions-within-europe-out-in-the-open-1.2139092 Dear me. A "newspaper" from the Middle East that runs "stories" on holocaust denial. Stick to the Daily Wail, then we can all have a good laugh... Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, pongo said: It would be dishonest not to honour it then. And no question. Even if the government were to change. As I am sure you will have to agree. no...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.