So the UK is finished says Theresa Mayhem

[pongo]

20 minutes ago, woody2 said:

already in place....

Simply not true. Because you cannot design a system representing a set of rules which are not yet known. That’s a basic fact of system design. And the government has strict practices which relate to how systems are designed and implemented.

Once the new rules are agreed in theory - then the government will practically need an analysis of how long it is likely to take to design and implement suitable systems. And then these multiple systems will need to go out to tenders. That timescale will be part of what determines how long the various different transition periods will realistically need to be. It won’t be a case of saying make it so.

Edited December 13, 2017 by pongo

[P.K.]

I used to wonder how many Brexiteers knew they were voting for a reduction in their standard of living?

I've come to realise that their standard of living just didn't come into their decision making processes - such as they were.....

This referendum has brought into stark relief the polarisation of the UK populace that is probably worse than that brought about by the appalling uncaring Thatcher creature.

The Thatcher polarisation is still with us.

But I suspect that the Brexit division will be with us for an awful lot longer.....

[woody2]

10 hours ago, pongo said:

Simply not true. Because you cannot design a system representing a set of rules which are not yet known. That’s a basic fact of system design. And the government has strict practices which relate to how systems are designed and implemented.

Once the new rules are agreed in theory - then the government will practically need an analysis of how long it is likely to take to design and implement suitable systems. And then these multiple systems will need to go out to tenders. That timescale will be part of what determines how long the various different transition periods will realistically need to be. It won’t be a case of saying make it so.

nope, the computer system in place can already handle the imports/exports/tariffs #fakenews 

[woody2]

13 hours ago, fatshaft said:

Last night it was voting down amendment 158 of the Scotland Act

 

massive loss for the snp

 

[pongo]

1 hour ago, woody2 said:

nope, the computer system in place can already handle the imports/exports/tariffs #fakenews 

*the* computer system? You write that as if calculating the tax due were the only issue involved.

It's going to be about potentially hundreds of different systems - and neither the systems nor the infrastructure are in place. And nothing can be designed until a preliminary specification exists. A system is also very much more than the actual computer. And then these systems will need to be implemented and tested. Whilst the existing systems continue to run. So you'd be looking at needing to duplicate existing processes. Across multiple systems. Also in many other areas of daily life. And everyone involved needs to be retrained.

It is also notoriously difficult to change a system which is running. Like changing the engine in a car whilst driving along the motorway.

Edited December 14, 2017 by pongo

[woody2]

4 minutes ago, pongo said:

*the* computer system? You write that as if calculating the tax due were the only issue involved.

It's going to be about potentially hundreds of different systems - and neither the systems nor the infrastructure are in place. And nothing can be designed until a preliminary specification exists. A system is also very much more than the actual computer. And then these systems will need to be implemented and tested. Whilst the existing systems continue to run. So you'd be looking at needing to duplicate existing processes. Across multiple systems. Also in many other areas of daily life. And everyone involved needs to be retrained.

It is also notoriously difficult to change a system which is running. Like changing the engine in a car whilst driving along the motorway.

the gov. have already stress tested all computer systems....

you can keep make as much fake news as you want loser.....

[pongo]

20 minutes ago, woody2 said:

the gov. have already stress tested all computer systems....

That is not true. So let's look at one specific example:

HMRC was in the process of swapping out the existing system (CHIEF - Customs Handling of Import and Export Freight) and replacing it with the new CDS system when Brexit came along. That huge change was due to be completed in late 2018 (though these things always run over). But it was designed to handle a substantially smaller number of declarations and traffic than is likely post Brexit (especially if, as you seem to hope, there is no FTA). Putting that in clear perspective - the existing system is halfway through being changed and may have to now be changed again depending on the outcome of a negotiation. And this sort of thing is typical. Not just across govt but also right across the private sector.

Brexit, even a soft Brexit, will take years. It will be huge and very costly technical task - after the politicians and administrators decide how it might look in theory. Politicians and an aggressively ignorant public demanding change is stupid if what they are demanding does not take into account the practical and economic considerations. It's like demanding that the engine is changed whilst the car is in motion.

The sensible way to approach any sort of Exit will be over decades. One thing at a time. Carefully.

[Bobbie Bobster]

@pongo I do believe he may be trolling you.  You may probably know this already.  It's still probably worthwhile countering the trolling with informed posts.  I'm having second thoughts about starting this post.

[woody2]

1 hour ago, pongo said:

That is not true. So let's look at one specific example:

HMRC was in the process of swapping out the existing system (CHIEF - Customs Handling of Import and Export Freight) and replacing it with the new CDS system when Brexit came along. That huge change was due to be completed in late 2018 (though these things always run over). But it was designed to handle a substantially smaller number of declarations and traffic than is likely post Brexit (especially if, as you seem to hope, there is no FTA). Putting that in clear perspective - the existing system is halfway through being changed and may have to now be changed again depending on the outcome of a negotiation. And this sort of thing is typical. Not just across govt but also right across the private sector.

Brexit, even a soft Brexit, will take years. It will be huge and very costly technical task - after the politicians and administrators decide how it might look in theory. Politicians and an aggressively ignorant public demanding change is stupid if what they are demanding does not take into account the practical and economic considerations. It's like demanding that the engine is changed whilst the car is in motion.

The sensible way to approach any sort of Exit will be over decades. One thing at a time. Carefully.

rubbish, the systems are already in place....

[woody2]

1 hour ago, Bobbie Bobster said:

@pongo I do believe he may be trolling you.  You may probably know this already.  It's still probably worthwhile countering the trolling with informed posts.  I'm having second thoughts about starting this post.

if you look back i posted about this months ago, the only one trolling is pongo.....

#fakenews

[woody2]

and there's no hard or soft brexit, the uk either leaves the eu or it doesn't.......

[woody2]

more pong+pk "news" proved wrong.....

Quote

Facebook says its investigation into Russian attempts to influence the Brexit vote has determined the activity amounted to just three adverts.

It said the Brexit ads had cost less than $1 (75p) in total to post, and had reached no more than 200 UK-based viewers over four days.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42342216

[pongo]

34 minutes ago, woody2 said:

rubbish, the systems are already in place....

Your least incoherent posts are roughly Comical Ali.

2 hours ago, Bobbie Bobster said:

It's still probably worthwhile countering the trolling with informed posts.

It didn't take a moment to calmly counter with a specific technical example. I am not sure there is a better way to counter common-senser nonsense or the sorts of people who believe we all just need to be more positive. Brexit is clearly a technical and systems issue at this stage.

An alternative might be to respond in kind - with idiot smileys and yah boo sucks. The mental equivalent of lighting his own farts and giggling.

[woody2]

just more bluff....

the gov. has undertaken the stress test in all departments......

its just like your hard or soft brexit which doesn't exists.....

whats your next #fakenews austerity.......

 

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by woody2

[woody2]

"We've actually had 36 votes on the EU Withdrawal Bill, and we've won 35 of those votes"

#facts