Lxxx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, Barrie Stevens said: A lot of the UK rail service is owned by Abellio which is a subsidiary of Holland's version of the old British Rail and they use the profits made in the UK to subsidise the latter...In effect most of the UK rail is government owned and controlled one way or the other. Abellio is spreading itself around the UK as we write. No it isn't. It's only Greater Anglia, the newly won London Midland franchise and Scotrail, which is now run more as a partnership with Network Rail anyway as the M.D. of the private operator is actually paid from the public purse. Most of the UK rail network isn't owned and controlled by government at all. But if it gives your argument more weight to pretend it is then go ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lxxx said: No it isn't. It's only Greater Anglia, the newly won London Midland franchise and Scotrail, which is now run more as a partnership with Network Rail anyway as the M.D. of the private operator is actually paid from the public purse. Most of the UK rail network isn't owned and controlled by government at all. But if it gives your argument more weight to pretend it is then go ahead. I said one way or the other...Who owns the tracks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: I said one way or the other...Who owns the tracks? We've already established earlier in the thread that government owns the infrastructure. Your point was talking about government-owned operators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lxxx said: We've already established earlier in the thread that government owns the infrastructure. Your point was talking about government-owned operators. http://www.cityam.com/256824/owns-uks-railways-well-not-british-firms-many-cases Here's one then...Quite a bit in "Private Eye" in recent times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lxxx said: We've already established earlier in the thread that government owns the infrastructure. Your point was talking about government-owned operators. And here's another one for you http://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-reveals-that-75-of-uk-rail-now-foreign-owned/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: http://www.cityam.com/256824/owns-uks-railways-well-not-british-firms-many-cases Here's one then...Quite a bit in "Private Eye" in recent times... So not the majority then. What matters is how well they can operate a railway not what language they speak in the boardroom. I work in the rail industry and know many of the Managing Directors of the rail operators well. All English, many have come through the old BR system and all very competent to operate a railway. Edited January 5, 2018 by Lxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, Lxxx said: So not the majority then. What matters is how well they can operate a railway not what language they speak in the boardroom. https://news.sky.com/story/half-uk-rail-journeys-will-be-on-foreign-owned-services-after-franchise-begins-10820177 And here's one I made earlier (Or someone did) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Lxxx said: So not the majority then. What matters is how well they can operate a railway not what language they speak in the boardroom. Well down on my manor 75% is a majority and 50% in real terms likewise ..Bit like saying "A little bit pregnant"... It is the reverse of what Britain used to do in other countries during the Imperial era ie Investing in and building railways and reaping the revenue. ie Invisible exports. Britain owned most of the railway in Argentina until we cashed it in to pay for the Wars Likewise in India. I have read the works of economist Romesh Dutt who pointed out that Britain could see the vast mass of people in India and the silver currency in circulation. So the railways were built and the silver harvested via fares. The Empire then issued its own currency. Those trains you see in the Westerns? British design and wood burning. Big investments. An Irish American once cursed the railways and subways in New York and Boston to me. "They were built by the British!" I said "No! They were built by the Irish but the British financed them!" Now the esteemed boot is on the other foot as the English proverb remarks (That's one for all you Billy Bunter fans) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: https://news.sky.com/story/half-uk-rail-journeys-will-be-on-foreign-owned-services-after-franchise-begins-10820177 And here's one I made earlier (Or someone did) Who cares. The government makes the decision to award the franchise based on, primarily, the bottom line of the winning bid, a bid process open to all operators of any nationality if they can demonstrate they have the expertise and finances to operate that section of the UK railway. It matters not what language the CEO speaks as long as the taxpayer gets the best deal, a deal which is independantly scored by outside firms for transparency and legal purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, P.K. said: Hardly a sweeping mandate though, was it? I guess we're all forced to conclude that brexiteers are more gullible than the rest.... 1 hour ago, paswt said: What's this "all" cobblers. You mean there are brexiteers who STILL don't realise that Farage, Gove and Johnson took them all for fools...? You know, I think you're probably right.... Edited January 5, 2018 by P.K. Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Lxxx said: Who cares. The government makes the decision to award the franchise based on, primarily, the bottom line of the winning bid, a bid process open to all operators of any nationality if they can demonstrate they have the expertise and finances to operate that section of the UK railway. It matters not what language the CEO speaks as long as the taxpayer gets the best deal, a deal which is independantly scored by outside firms for transparency and legal purposes. I am not saying that it is wrong. I am saying in an oblique and pedantic way that privatisation meant continued and apocryphal nationalisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: I am not saying that it is wrong. I am saying in an oblique and pedantic way that privatisation meant continued and apocryphal nationalisation. Well stop scouring Google then if the point you're trying to make is actually pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, P.K. said: You men there are brexiteers who STILL don't realise that Farage, Gove and Johnson took them all for fools. You know, I think you're probably right.... There are some, I'm told , who still think that Blair was a socialist and Branson is an ethical business man . Politicians think they can take us all for fools IMO . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 This thread seems to have been derailed. The Uk gov represents all the UK population. All 66+ million. 17.4million of those voted out yet the rest have to live with the consequences. Democracy in action... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: This thread seems to have been derailed. The Uk gov represents all the UK population. All 66+ million. 17.4million of those voted out yet the rest have to live with the consequences. Democracy in action... It also seems that it was the people who live under the changes for the least amount of time that were more inclined to vote for Brexit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36619342 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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