RIchard Britten Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, quilp said: Not being under the EU thumb is a benefit. But what does that actually mean? More vagaries that make for good sound bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: But what are the actual benefits? You don't know do you? In the same vein, what are the benefits of remaining? I've yet to hear a convincing argument that doesn't involve a lot of screeching about losing cultural diversity, multicultural enrichment, inclusion, liberal ethics, ad nauseum. So tell me, RIchard, convince me that it's best for Britain to stay in the bloc. Define the advantages... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, RIchard Britten said: But what does that actually mean? More vagaries that make for good sound bits. There's really nowt complicated about the thumb bit. If you need it explaining you're more stunted than I imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, quilp said: In the same vein, what are the benefits of remaining? I've yet to hear a convincing argument that doesn't involve a lot of screeching about losing cultural diversity, multicultural enrichment, inclusion, liberal ethics, ad nauseum. So tell me, RIchard, convince me that it's best for Britain to stay in the bloc. Define the advantages... Deflect, deflect, deflect....I asked first. If you can answer without sounding like a sound bite generator, then I will in kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, quilp said: There's really nowt complicated about the thumb bit. If you need it explaining you're more stunted than I imagined. Deflect, deflect, deflect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Deflect, deflect, deflect....I asked first. If you can answer without sounding like a sound bite generator, then I will in kind. 11 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Deflect, deflect, deflect. i am yet to hear 1 good thing about the eu from you remoans..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, quilp said: I've yet to hear a convincing argument that doesn't involve a lot of screeching about losing cultural diversity, multicultural enrichment, inclusion, liberal ethics, ad nauseum. Do you dislike cultural diversity, inclusion, liberal ethics etc? Isn't the term "liberal ethics" an Americanism - and therefore itself implicitly multicultural? These all seem to me quite separate from whether or not the UK is part of the EU. What about black music? Edited February 21, 2018 by pongo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, pongo said: What about black music? the uk was at the forefront of accepting black music, look at the skinheads and northern soul...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 And into the fray the racist inference is again thrust. Introduced to stifle argument in an avalanche of accusation and inquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 no one ever mentions that the uk had to lower employment right, regulations and laws to join the eu..... as for the environment see germany burning russian and chinese coal or the vw scandal..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, quilp said: And into the fray the racist inference is again thrust. Introduced to stifle argument in an avalanche of accusation and inquiry. Your post introduced it: Quote ...involve a lot of screeching about losing cultural diversity, multicultural enrichment, inclusion, liberal ethics, ad nauseum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, woody2 said: the uk was at the forefront of accepting black music, look at the skinheads and northern soul...... Don't you see that as multiculturalism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, quilp said: And into the fray the racist inference is again thrust. Introduced to stifle argument in an avalanche of accusation and inquiry. You imagined all that. I asked you a straight question, politely. Because I am trying to understand where you are coming from. So I will ask again: Do you dislike cultural diversity, inclusion, liberal ethics etc? Isn't the term "liberal ethics" an Americanism - and therefore itself implicitly multicultural? These all seem to me quite separate from whether or not the UK is part of the EU. What about black music? Isn't that about cultural diversity? Edited February 21, 2018 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, pongo said: Don't you see that as multiculturalism? yes and the uk was at the forefront........ but thats nothing to do with the eu..... what the uk doesn't need is the dregs of the eu using the nhs,schools, housing, police, benefits and services....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, woody2 said: but thats nothing to do with the eu..... I agree. And that's more or less what I was saying / asking. I think I am much closer to your position than to Quilp's (or Woolley's). But I am trying to find out. I'm not sure. There is a big difference between the Whig Brexit position (Rees Mogg and co) vs the majority UKIP position which is much more about nationality and identity. It's interesting to note for example that the ERG letter from the 62 hard Brexit MPs today sets out their red lines. No mention of free movement. Free movement is not apparently a red line. Which is interesting given the rumours of progress towards a deal for the City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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