Freggyragh Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) ‘Bury my heart at Wounded Knee’, ‘The Fatal Shore’, ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’, ‘Understanding Power’, ‘Inglorious Empire’, ‘The Scramble for Africa’, ‘The Congo’, ‘’English Passengers’ and the Flashman series. All great books for understanding what happens to humanity under imperialism. All successful societies in history have been outgoing and multi-cultural, from Ancient Greece to 20 century US. What happens when people turn inward and reject outsiders is a recurrent theme in history. Monoglot, monocultural societies that can’t cope with the outside world never prosper. Obviously, the brexiters agree, at least in public, with that analysis, I’m not suggesting that brexiters are thick (Woody excepted), isolationist or racist. I just wish I could see some positives in the endeavour. Edited February 21, 2018 by Freggyragh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Freggyragh said: I just wish I could see some positives in the endeavour. positives of eu membership are? still surprised pongo would want skinheads running things...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, woody2 said: still surprised pongo would want skinheads running things...... Skinhead was sharp - and that Jamaican dance hall sound is fantastic. Compare that with the photos on that 'bands which played the IOM thread'. With their long hair and dreary guitar solos Edited February 22, 2018 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 watched it the other night on bbc4 soul mafia and froggy was another scene..... top story on the bbc website in tuesday was about a white girl having beads in her hair now viewed as racist, its a good job the snowflakes weren't around in the 80's with all the new age traveller, guess they were racist too....... but its still got nothing to do with eu membership...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, woody2 said: but its still got nothing to do with eu membership...... Did anyone other than Quilp suggest that it did? It's an Aunt Sally. Edited February 22, 2018 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, pongo said: Did anyone other than Quilp suggest that it did? It's an Aunt Sally. You mentioned music first, not I... "What about Black music?" As a subtle inference of racism. Edited February 22, 2018 by quilp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 proof that the mass eu immigration is not good for the uk...... Quote We used to take it for granted that we would each get better off as the economy grew. As companies and the government invested in better technology and skills, each worker could produce more goods or services per hour, bringing in more revenue to their employers - and as a result, each worker could be paid more per hour. Those improvements in productivity were for most of the last 200 years the motor of economic growth, so regular they could be taken for granted. In the past decade, that engine of improved prosperity broke down. By June 2017, the amount produced per hour was only 0.4 per cent larger than it had been nine years before. While we had had economic growth, most of it wasn't growth in the amount each worker produced or earned, but simply growth in the number of people working. Because an economy is simply people and their economic activity, when the number of people grows, so does the economy. But it may not be the sort of growth where individuals are getting better off. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43140646 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, quilp said: You mentioned music first, not I. As a subtle inference of racism. No inference of racism. You imagined that. I was responding to your Aunt Sally. When you said: On 21/02/2018 at 10:22 AM, quilp said: I've yet to hear a convincing argument that doesn't involve a lot of screeching about losing cultural diversity, multicultural enrichment, inclusion, liberal ethics, ad nauseum. I asked what it is that you don't like. I noted the connection between 'cultural diversity' and our love in Britain of black music. As The Sun's Gary Bushell starts out saying in the documentary above, "Skinhead was always a multicultural thing". And the same with British and Jamaican reggae. It's about multiculturalism. By definition. And yet you reject multiculturalism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, pongo said: The same with British and Jamaican reggae. It's about multiculturalism. By definition. Nah, it's about the music... You're conflating skin colour with multiculturalism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, quilp said: Nah, it's about the music... You're conflating skin colour with multiculturalism. When you combine cultures from different places (for example music, style, fashion, language) then the result is by definition multicultural. As Woody correctly says - this has nothing to do with the EU. Mostly it's been about trade routes so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 On 21/02/2018 at 11:02 AM, woody2 said: no one ever mentions that the uk had to lower employment right, regulations and laws to join the eu..... as for the environment see germany burning russian and chinese coal or the vw scandal..... I smell bullshit. Please give a specific example of the UK lowering employment rights to join the EU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 hours ago, manxman1980 said: I smell bullshit. Please give a specific example of the UK lowering employment rights to join the EU. when the uk joined the eu...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Quote "I belong to a union of prime ministers who do not wish to see Muslim communities being created in our countries" Robert Fico http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43157234 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, woody2 said: when the uk joined the eu...... #more-#woody2-#bollox Edited February 23, 2018 by GD4ELI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: #more-#woody2-#bollox it was andrew neil actually...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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