manxman1980 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 On 21/02/2018 at 11:02 AM, woody2 said: no one ever mentions that the uk had to lower employment right, regulations and laws to join the eu..... On 23/02/2018 at 8:56 AM, woody2 said: it was andrew neil actually...... I am really interested in this point Woody2. I have searched for a reference to Andrew Neil stating that the UK had to lower employment rights in order to join the EU. I cannot find it anywhere on the internet. I would agree that the UK did (and does) have employment law that exceeds the requirements of the EU but that is very different from stating that the UK lowered employment rights when joining the EU. In a number of cases the UK Government has "gold plated" EU directives. In particular Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations provides more rights than was required by the EU Acquired Rights Directive. The UK also grants more parental leave than the EU requires as a minimum (the EU says a minimum of 4 months and the UK gives up to 12 months). It is my view that this shows that the EU has tried to set minimum standards throughout its scope of influence but still allowed sovereign Governments to introduce the directives as they see fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: I am really interested in this point Woody2. I have searched for a reference to Andrew Neil stating that the UK had to lower employment rights in order to join the EU. I cannot find it anywhere on the internet. I would agree that the UK did (and does) have employment law that exceeds the requirements of the EU but that is very different from stating that the UK lowered employment rights when joining the EU. In a number of cases the UK Government has "gold plated" EU directives. In particular Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations provides more rights than was required by the EU Acquired Rights Directive. The UK also grants more parental leave than the EU requires as a minimum (the EU says a minimum of 4 months and the UK gives up to 12 months). It is my view that this shows that the EU has tried to set minimum standards throughout its scope of influence but still allowed sovereign Governments to introduce the directives as they see fit. it would be part of the accession treaty in 1972 and/or european communities act 1972 at a guess? or something that was part of the deal to join....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 interesting that the 1975 referendum result was not legally binding...... another remoans point dismissed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 the penny might of finally dropped.... Quote Sky News NewsdeskVerified account @SkyNewsBreak EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier says the UK is closing the door on Brexit solutions and the only option left is a free trade agreement 6:44 AM - 1 Mar 2018 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 good to hear 4%liz saying what labour wants is getting norway type deal would be preferable on the customs union only for andrew neil to point out that they are NOT in the customs union........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 has anyone meet this fantasy leave voter who thought leaving the eu meant staying in the single market, the customs union and continued free movement........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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woody2 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 looks like a proper exit from may today i did like this bit..... "It is not good enough to say 'we won't introduce a hard border; if the EU forces Ireland to do it, that's down to them'. Theresa May sets out 'hard facts' on Brexit in speech http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43250035 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Had to have a giggle at May's almost Churchillian rhetoric. At one point I thought she was going to say something along the lines of... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 So May admits the U.K. will be paying for membership of EU medicines, chemicals and aviation safety agencies and to save the pharmaceutical and airline industries, abiding by their rules, but losing all influence. She is gambling the financial services industry on the ‘it’ll hurt you more’ argument that has so far earned zero concessions from the largest single market on the planet, but conceded a loss of access and a poorer future: “We are not looking for passporting because we understand this is intrinsic to the single market of which we would no longer be a member. It would also require us to be subject to a single rule book, over which we would have no say.” Way to ‘take back control’! Yes, she is still gambling Northern Ireland’s future in the U.K. on the invention of an ‘electronic border’. Well, that’s 20 months of work on trying to deliver on the charlatan lies of brexit and in three weeks Barnier will be presenting the U.K. with the EU’s offer of a narrow Canada style deal (no + + + in sight) because that is his mandate (and the most they can offer given the terms of its treaties with Canada and Japan). I suppose there are still some believers left, so if you do still believe in brexit, what do you think of the show so far? May's 'speech' is about 9 months too late.May's 'speech' is about 9 months too late. Hi weewIn 3 weeks time Barnier will be presenting the UK with the EU's offer of a narrow Canada-style deal (no +++ in sight). He's been saying this since December but I'm sure the govt will pretend to be shocked when it h In 3 weeks time Barnier will be presenting the UK with the EU's offer of a narrow Canada-style deal (no +++ in sight). He's been saying this since December but I'm sure the govt will pretend to be shocked when it happens. In 3 weeks time Barnier will be presenting the UK with the EU's offer of a narrow Canada-style deal (no +++ in sight). He's been saying this since December but I'm sure the govt will pretend to be shocked when it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Freggy, it's going to take a while. Didn't you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: So May admits the U.K. will be paying for membership of EU medicines, chemicals and aviation safety agencies and to save the pharmaceutical and airline industries, abiding by their rules, but losing all influence. She is gambling the financial services industry on the ‘it’ll hurt you more’ argument that has so far earned zero concessions from the largest single market on the planet, but conceded a loss of access and a poorer future: “We are not looking for passporting because we understand this is intrinsic to the single market of which we would no longer be a member. It would also require us to be subject to a single rule book, over which we would have no say.” Way to ‘take back control’! Yes, she is still gambling Northern Ireland’s future in the U.K. on the invention of an ‘electronic border’. Well, that’s 20 months of work on trying to deliver on the charlatan lies of brexit and in three weeks Barnier will be presenting the U.K. with the EU’s offer of a narrow Canada style deal (no + + + in sight) because that is his mandate (and the most they can offer given the terms of its treaties with Canada and Japan). I suppose there are still some believers left, so if you do still believe in brexit, what do you think of the show so far? May's 'speech' is about 9 months too late.May's 'speech' is about 9 months too late. Hi weewIn 3 weeks time Barnier will be presenting the UK with the EU's offer of a narrow Canada-style deal (no +++ in sight). He's been saying this since December but I'm sure the govt will pretend to be shocked when it h In 3 weeks time Barnier will be presenting the UK with the EU's offer of a narrow Canada-style deal (no +++ in sight). He's been saying this since December but I'm sure the govt will pretend to be shocked when it happens. In 3 weeks time Barnier will be presenting the UK with the EU's offer of a narrow Canada-style deal (no +++ in sight). He's been saying this since December but I'm sure the govt will pretend to be shocked when it happens. How you could listen to that speech and come up with this assessment is beyond belief. If this was truly about trade then no reasonable person could object to the proposals. EU countries need trade with the UK every bit as the UK needs trade with them. It's not about trade though is it? It's about power politics and control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Trade negotiations are always about power politics and control. You’d think anyone with the slightest idea about how the British Empire conducted trade would know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 interesting not the head of wto has said the eu is inventing problem that don't exist..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 This is not about trade and it never was. It's about establishing a country called Europe without the population noticing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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