woody2 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, manxman1980 said: That must be the first time I have ever seen someone praising the Civil Service for taking on more people... Where are all the gravy train references? Don't we already have a over bloated Civil Service? in case you missed it, the uk already had these jobs before they were forcibly removed by the eu..... instead of funding jobs in the undemocratic eu, the uk will fund british jobs.... no real increase will happen..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) https://www.civilserviceworld.com/articles/news/nearly-3000-civil-servants-hired-work-brexit Because Britain is so wealthy and it’s armed forces, schools and hospitals are so well resourced it can well afford not to pool resources with the EU which spreads costs across all member states. Edited March 20, 2018 by Freggyragh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Freggyragh said: https://www.civilserviceworld.com/articles/news/nearly-3000-civil-servants-hired-work-brexit Because Britain is so wealthy and it’s armed forces, schools and hospitals are so well resourced it can well afford not to pool resources with the EU which spreads costs across all member states. Indeed it can, considering that only 5 of the 28 contribute and the rest of them leach. Armed forces? EU? Don't make me laugh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) The armed forces, nhs and schools are all underfunded, exacerbated by the need to hire an extra 8,000 civil servants, most of then on high grades, mostly to replicate work done by the EU. Let me explain it to you this way. Would you rather: A. Pay a firm of lawyers to act on your behalf solely out of your own pocket. or, B. Pay a firm of lawyers to act on your behalf as a partner in syndicate of 27 members, even if you suspect some of the others aren’t paying their fair share? You will win votes on what the instructions will be 99% of the time and have a veto over any major changes to the arrangement. Fine if chose A, but you won’t be able to afford the healthcare, education or defence you could have afforded if you had chosen B. Oh, and you’ve got David Davis representing you. Edited March 20, 2018 by Freggyragh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 No. It isn't good enough. At least we can get rid of our own politicians. We can't get rid of Juncker, Tusk et al. The point at issue is that of sovereignty and it trumps everything else. Trade is a red herring that has being brandished by "Project Fear" all the way down the line. Trade will continue at similar levels throughout the process and the medium term. There is no incentive for anyone to do otherwise - except those in Brussels and when push comes to shove, money wins every time. I suspect UK trade will thrive in the long term as Britain is and has always been a trading nation. The UK is a massively rich country. If it is skint as you say then it's a shame for all of those whose wealth ranks below it, and that includes most of the countries on Earth. It chooses to spend what it spends but it could spend far more and will also have the means to in the future. Enough doom mongering! http://ceoworld.biz/2018/01/30/these-are-the-wealthiest-countries-in-the-world-us-china-japan-germany-india-2018/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 One credible example of the ‘sovereignty’ you’re looking forward to getting back at such great expense would useful. Your last attempt at this was the ability to produce halogen lamps that will be obsolete in the rest of the world when, or if brexit ever happens. What else is on your wish list? The right to smoke on the top deck of the bus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, woolley said: No. It isn't good enough. At least we can get rid of our own politicians. And yet the same noses are in the trough year in year out. "We" have no more ability to "get rid" of our politicians than you have not to blame everything on Liberals every other post. Edited March 21, 2018 by RIchard Britten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Freggyragh said: The armed forces, nhs and schools are all underfunded, no they aren't..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: And yet the same noses are in the trough year in year out. "We" have no more ability to "get rid" of our politicians than you have no to blame everything on Liberals every other post. 100% at fault...... every general election you can get rid of mp's, unlike the unelected eu's leaders..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkle Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 10 hours ago, woolley said: No. It isn't good enough. At least we can get rid of our own politicians. We can't get rid of Juncker, Tusk et al. The point at issue is that of sovereignty and it trumps everything else. Trade is a red herring that has being brandished by "Project Fear" all the way down the line. Trade will continue at similar levels throughout the process and the medium term. There is no incentive for anyone to do otherwise - except those in Brussels and when push comes to shove, money wins every time. I suspect UK trade will thrive in the long term as Britain is and has always been a trading nation. The UK is a massively rich country. If it is skint as you say then it's a shame for all of those whose wealth ranks below it, and that includes most of the countries on Earth. It chooses to spend what it spends but it could spend far more and will also have the means to in the future. Enough doom mongering! http://ceoworld.biz/2018/01/30/these-are-the-wealthiest-countries-in-the-world-us-china-japan-germany-india-2018/ the EUSSR is in "great shape" lololo. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/ecb-faces-year-of-living-uncertainly-after-conclusion-of-qe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 21 hours ago, woody2 said: in case you missed it, the uk already had these jobs before they were forcibly removed by the eu..... instead of funding jobs in the undemocratic eu, the uk will fund british jobs.... no real increase will happen..... And prior to the EU the UK Civil Service were a shining beacon of efficiency and effectiveness? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 13 hours ago, woolley said: No. It isn't good enough. At least we can get rid of our own politicians. We can't get rid of Juncker, Tusk et al. The point at issue is that of sovereignty and it trumps everything else. Trade is a red herring that has being brandished by "Project Fear" all the way down the line. Trade will continue at similar levels throughout the process and the medium term. There is no incentive for anyone to do otherwise - except those in Brussels and when push comes to shove, money wins every time. I suspect UK trade will thrive in the long term as Britain is and has always been a trading nation. The UK is a massively rich country. If it is skint as you say then it's a shame for all of those whose wealth ranks below it, and that includes most of the countries on Earth. It chooses to spend what it spends but it could spend far more and will also have the means to in the future. Enough doom mongering! So the UK doesn't have 73 MEPs, record numbers of homeless, record numbers of children and old people living in poverty, record numbers of food banks, record numbers of people using them and record numbers of EU citizens working in the UK. Phew! Thank goodness for that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: And prior to the EU the UK Civil Service were a shining beacon of efficiency and effectiveness? nope..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, P.K. said: So the UK doesn't have 73 MEPs, record numbers of homeless, record numbers of children and old people living in poverty, record numbers of food banks, record numbers of people using them and record numbers of EU citizens working in the UK. Phew! Thank goodness for that! nope it doesn't....... time to leave the failing eu..... the uk will get on with their neighbours without giving them the keys to the safe...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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