Rog Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, pongo said: It's one of those words which when used by each other is not offensive. But which becomes offensive when used deliberately offensively. Like your deliberately offensive use of the word 'Pikey'. Pikeys ARE offensive in every way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, woody2 said: no its not.... What about a Jewish "Pikey"? Not impossible and I am sure there have ben a few.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Sorry! That should have read "been a few"..Not piss taking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Rog said: No it's not, though in any case I'm yet to ever meet any Jewish person who would object in the least. The word "Yid". It derives from the language used. Pikeys on the other hand has two derivations, probably the most accurate being that like the fish, like, they will attempt to grab anything that floats in their path that is not securely fastened down. The term "Pikey" refers to their former trade. Like a "Navvy" was one of those labourers who cut the navigations and canals the "Pikey" built the turnpike roads. Pikey, Navvy, Chippy, Sparky, all the same. The "Pikeys" were nomadic itinerant labourers who moved about forming the gangs to build the turnpike roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: What about a Jewish "Pikey"? Not impossible and I am sure there have ben a few.. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: The term "Pikey" refers to their former trade. Like a "Navvy" was one of those labourers who cut the navigations and canals the "Pikey" built the turnpike roads. Pikey, Navvy, Chippy, Sparky, all the same. The "Pikeys" were nomadic itinerant labourers who moved about forming the gangs to build the turnpike roads. Not so. The closest possible alternative would have been highway robbers who haunted the various turnpikes but there's little doubt that the term in use today comes from the predatory nature that Pikeys share with the pike fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Rog said: Why? Because not all Jewish people lived in cities or had those usual jobs they are associated with such as clothing, textiles, trading, baking, medicine, law. A lot became assimilated and pursued jobs they had back in the old country so it is quite feasible that many became labourers, farm workers and maybe worked on the roads, the canals, the navigations and eventually the railways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, pongo said: It's one of those words which when used by each other is not offensive. But which becomes offensive when used deliberately offensively. Like your deliberately offensive use of the word 'Pikey'. Man convicted of race crime using the term "Pikey" The first such case apparently. Click the link http://metro.co.uk/2007/12/13/pikey-is-now-a-race-hate-word-583752/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: Because not all Jewish people lived in cities or had those usual jobs they are associated with such as clothing, textiles, trading, baking, medicine, law. A lot became assimilated and pursued jobs they had back in the old country so it is quite feasible that many became labourers, farm workers and maybe worked on the roads, the canals, the navigations and eventually the railways. Barrie, you really do have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rog said: Not so. The closest possible alternative would have been highway robbers who haunted the various turnpikes but there's little doubt that the term in use today comes from the predatory nature that Pikeys share with the pike fish. Honestly! "Pikeys" were gangers on the turnpike roads...I have always understood that and of course even in modern times they would work on the roads. "Navvy" was short for "navigator" which meant the man digging out the navigations and canals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Rog said: Barrie, you really do have no idea. What do I not have an idea of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rog said: Barrie, you really do have no idea. I have a lot of idea as I have traced a lot of family lines for people through "Ancestry". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: Man convicted of race crime using the term "Pikey" The first such case apparently. Click the link http://metro.co.uk/2007/12/13/pikey-is-now-a-race-hate-word-583752/ And all down to the ludicrous ECHR. The designation of Pikeys as a unique race in their own right is just one of a great many reasons why it is an unnecessary, unwanted, and unnecessary bit of rubbish that Blair imposed on the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 The pikeys were victims of the holocaust too. The only difference being that they didn't go on to rule the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, Barrie Stevens said: I have a lot of idea as I have traced a lot of family lines for people through "Ancestry". Then you must have (SHOULD HAVE) found that the ancestry of Jewish folk who came to the UK from Europe are exceedingly difficult to trace because of lack of accessable records. In the shtetls most records were destroyed or lost during the increasing pogroms and especially so as a result of the shoah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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