woody2 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 they should be complaining to the eu....... its a eu mess...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 hours ago, twinkle said: my oh my aren't we a clever prick. Erm, no. We’re clever and you’re a prick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, pongo said: The reality is that we wait and see. If Brexit turns out to be even more of a disaster than it already is so far then those who supported it will blame remainers. Then, ultimately, they will blame each other. The sensible position was always Eurosceptic remain. Part of the Single Market but not part of the Euro was the sweet spot. Dragging our heels and waiting for them to see sense. Brexit showed a complete lack of irony. the only reason the eu wants the uk in the single market/ customs union is control..... its not in the uk's interest...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, Freggyragh said: Erm, no. We’re clever and you’re a prick. says the person that thinks the eu-usa are about to do a deal..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, woody2 said: the only reason the eu wants the uk in the single market/ customs union is control..... I don't believe the EU cares whether or not the UK is in the Single Market. The Single Market doesn't need the UK. So the only issue is about what works best for the UK. But - if you are right and I am wrong - then what would be the reason for them wanting that "control"? In what sense and for what reason would "control" be an end of itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, woody2 said: says the person that thinks the eu-usa are about to do a deal..... They’ve got a deal. It’s not a free-trade deal because US and EU safety, provenance, environmental, and competition regulations are quite different, likewise antitrust laws, intellectual property rights and subsidies and measures to protect key industries. Liam Fox hopes (and prays?) that the EU’s trade deals with third parties would ‘rollover’ if Brexit were to happen, rather than stronger trade blocks tweaking any deals with the U.K. to their advantage. Of course, in reality, Brexit would mean the strong global players would wipe out British agriculture and manufacturing in pretty short order. The only chance of that happening is the voice of you utter cretins who think David Davis and Liam Fox can persuade the EU and the rest if the world into signing deals more beneficial to the U.K. than what would be achievable for the U.K. as a member of the largest trading block in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, pongo said: I don't believe the EU cares whether or not the UK is in the Single Market. The Single Market doesn't need the UK. So the only issue is about what works best for the UK. But - if you are right and I am wrong - then what would be the reason for them wanting that "control"? In what sense and for what reason would "control" be an end of itself? the eu wouldn't offer it if it wasn't in the eu's best interests.... the eu is all about control.... you don't know anything typical remoaner..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 On 5/26/2018 at 12:48 AM, Freggyragh said: Newsflash for Shit-for-brains! Canada and the US are in a single-market called NAFTA - that’s why there aren’t any tarrifs. I think you’ll find there are tarrifs that apply to some goods originating in the US, chances are they don’t apply to whatever you’re importing / exporting - that’s because the EU and US have been running a Transatlantic Economic Council for quite a while to work on eliminating tarrifs ahead of the proposed TTIP free trade deal. In case you didn’t know it already, the UK hasn’t made its own trade deals with anyone yet. 1 hour ago, Freggyragh said: They’ve got a deal. It’s not a free-trade deal because US and EU safety, provenance, environmental, and competition regulations are quite different, likewise antitrust laws, intellectual property rights and subsidies and measures to protect key industries. Liam Fox hopes (and prays?) that the EU’s trade deals with third parties would ‘rollover’ if Brexit were to happen, rather than stronger trade blocks tweaking any deals with the U.K. to their advantage. Of course, in reality, Brexit would mean the strong global players would wipe out British agriculture and manufacturing in pretty short order. The only chance of that happening is the voice of you utter cretins who think David Davis and Liam Fox can persuade the EU and the rest if the world into signing deals more beneficial to the U.K. than what would be achievable for the U.K. as a member of the largest trading block in the world. ouch...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 trumps 20% on eu cars is going to hurt the eu.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 hours ago, pongo said: The reality is that we wait and see. Well that is what we should be doing anyway. All of the wailing is orchestrated. Stand by for far more over the coming months. Business will continue pretty much the same because it is in nobody's interests for it not to. UK will always want to sell to the world, including Europe and the world, including Europe will always want to sell to the UK. Trade will endure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 49 minutes ago, woody2 said: ouch...... How can it be so difficult for you to understand? Which of the following points are difficult for you? 1. The EU and US have a trade deal (actually numerous trade deals) arbitrated by the Transatlantic Economic Council. 2. There is no free-trade deal, and although the TTIP deal might amount to a free-trade deal it is unlikely to happen while Trump is in power, or while the EU cares about food safety or nationalised health services. 3. Big markets such as the US and EU don’t have to make deals that compromise crucial aspects of their economies. Small economies have to make such deals and end up with highly specialised and highly unstable economies (cash crops in agricultural economies, niche hi-tech in advanced economies). Ouch, indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, woody2 said: trumps 20% on eu cars is going to hurt the eu.... Yeah, because he’s bound to exempt the U.K. from tarrifs because when it comes to dealing with the little guy he’s all heart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Has the quality of American cars improved in recent years? They've also had interiors made out of old chocolate boxes when I've hired them over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: Small economies The UK is not a small economy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, woolley said: The UK is not a small economy! Most nations and regions of the world are, or are planning to be, in one or more of the trade blocks / free trade areas below. Such trade blocks require pooled sovereignty to enable free trade. I’ve included ASEAN, PIF & PA even though the key member countries are APEC members too. Likewise, I’ve included some individual states for comparison. Market size is approximated by most recent available figures for GDP in USD. APEC = 47T US = 17T (NAFTA = 21T) EEA (- UK) 15T EU (- UK) = 14T China = 14T AL = 6.4T AU / AEC = 5.5T Japan = 5T EAEU = 4.5T U.K. = 3T ASEAN = 2.5T PIF = 2T PA = 2.2T CEFTA = 0.4T The only countries set to be in a weaker trading position than those in the U.K. are those in CEFTA (Serbia, Bosnia, et al), or other non-aligned states like North Korea. But, hey, if you can see the positives keep smiling and singing a happy Brexit song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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