manxman1980 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 On 6/29/2018 at 7:33 PM, woody2 said: 3. Enforced returns of EU nationals #ouch https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-january-to-march-2017/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned So... what of this alleged cost imposed by the EU? It can't be that burdensome if the numbers deported are increasing each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 12 hours ago, John Wright said: 1. Or cost of picking will go up, so price will go up. 2. You clearly don’t understand. The EU external tarrif is much lower, generally, than WTO terms because EU has 60 bilateral trade agreements. UK will have to apply WTO tariffs on fruit and vegetables from both the EU and all non EU countries. The EU and WTO tariffs aren’t cumulative.They are either or. Ie bilateral EU external tariffs or higher WTO tariffs. It will take many years to negotiate bilateral agreements. its already been announced that food prices will be lower due to not paying eu tariffs...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 2 hours ago, manxman1980 said: So... what of this alleged cost imposed by the EU? It can't be that burdensome if the numbers deported are increasing each year. legal costs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 12 hours ago, John Wright said: 1. Or cost of picking will go up, so price will go up. 2. You clearly don’t understand. The EU external tarrif is much lower, generally, than WTO terms because EU has 60 bilateral trade agreements. UK will have to apply WTO tariffs on fruit and vegetables from both the EU and all non EU countries. The EU and WTO tariffs aren’t cumulative.They are either or. Ie bilateral EU external tariffs or higher WTO tariffs. It will take many years to negotiate bilateral agreements. The facts of the matter are that UK food production is just not enough to feed the nation. Which outside of a powerful trading bloc is a real weakness to be exploited. Households buy 50% of their scran from the UK, 30% from the EU, 5% from Africa, 4% each from the USA, South America and Asia and then some bits and pieces. So if we crash out food prices will rise because 50% is imported and then liable to tariffs that would have to be negotiated. We do export food but our strongest export is in the "beverages" sector and unfortunately you can't eat Scotch Whiskey. Not that you would notice if you tried of course... If we still want to export food to the EU, a likely assumption, then UK farming will still have to adhere to the EU production standards. So there is a danger here. The brexit lot will be desperate to make deals with cheaper food producers in an attempt to demonstrate what a wizard wheeze brexit was. Of course, these foodstuffs are cheaper due to a much lower standard of production. Which will then undercut British farmers..... Just another brexit clusterfuck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 34 minutes ago, woody2 said: its already been announced that food prices will be lower due to not paying eu tariffs...... By whom, where, link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 the uk grows 76% of its food..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Just now, John Wright said: By whom, where, link? bbc go look it up...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 No, it’s your claim. You back it up. It isn’t true. You’re a master at suggesting you’ve seen/heard something in BBC QT, WATO, etc. But that claim is worthless. The facts, and I do know you don’t deal in facts, are that WTO tarrifs on fruit and vegetables, absent a bilateral agreement, are much higher than the EU external tariff. 60% of UK imported food comes from EU without any tariff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, woody2 said: the uk grows 76% of its food..... Less than 50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 37 minutes ago, John Wright said: No, it’s your claim. You back it up. It isn’t true. You’re a master at suggesting you’ve seen/heard something in BBC QT, WATO, etc. But that claim is worthless. The facts, and I do know you don’t deal in facts, are that WTO tarrifs on fruit and vegetables, absent a bilateral agreement, are much higher than the EU external tariff. 60% of UK imported food comes from EU without any tariff the uk pays 2.8% extra on imports from outside the eu on top of wto tariffs..... (ifs report) prices from the eu are higher due to the protection racket which is the single market, lamb for example is 30% higher from the eu than new zealand...... you fail to take into account the "rotterdam effect" in imports from the eu....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 42 minutes ago, John Wright said: Less than 50%. Quote The ratio in 2016 was 60% for all food and 76% for indigenous type food. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, John Wright said: Less than 50%. We export food as well so the amount produced is not the same as the amount consumed in the UK. But like I posted, you can't eat Scotch Whiskey! The inbalance is still too big = expensive from a tariff increase scenario. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 minute ago, P.K. said: We export food as well so the amount produced is not the same as the amount consumed in the UK. But like I posted, you can't eat Scotch Whiskey! The inbalance is still too big = expensive from a tariff increase scenario. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. tariffs will be reduced you idiot........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Even the beverages exports relies on imports. Most of England’s barley crop is taken up by Scotland’s whisky industry, so English beer is mostly made with imported barley. Scottish whisky represents 20% of the UKs total food and drink exports. Anyway, who told you tarrifs will be reduced? Do you understand how difficult it is for a 200 acre farm here to produce lamb at the same price as a 1,000 acre farm in New Zealand? Without tarrifs, imported labour or CAP, U.K. agriculture would shut down overnight. Either someone is feeding you lies and you are an extremely gullible fool, or you are making stuff up. The likes of Gove, Johnson, Fox and Rees-Mogg just avoid the subject, banking everything on some magical deal that requires the whole world to give the U.K. everything it wants for nothing in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Rotterdam effect is small. Not only that it’s mainly oil and manufactured goods, not food. Food produced in UK amounts to 50% of food consumed. Food produced in EU amounts to 25% of food consumed in UK with further 5% each from USA, South America, Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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